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  • Fouts2herbert
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    so what'd I miss this week, we signed another former high round bust WR? counting Chark, Raegor, QJ, and the new guy we can start the "bust club"
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    • Maniaque 6
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      Shenault just can't be a bust
      I drafted him five years ago !

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      • Maniaque 6
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        Seriously, start with a 3 WRs formation in KC
        McConk, Chark and Shenault !
        We have no Dobb.

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        • Charge!
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          Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post
          so what'd I miss this week, we signed another former high round bust WR? counting Chark, Raegor, QJ, and the new guy we can start the "bust club"
          Shenalt can =be used as a runner and WR.... he has blazing speed and size.... loads of talent.....but why was hge unemployed?

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          • Fouts2herbert
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            Originally posted by Charge! View Post

            Shenalt can =be used as a runner and WR.... he has blazing speed and size.... loads of talent.....but why was hge unemployed?
            honest answer, because he's a bust, that's why he was on the street...you said blazing speed and size, doesn't that kind of apply to Chark, QJ, and Reagor too? obviously more goes into becoming a great WR that's not part of the 'measurables' used at the combine...

            it's depressing to think that the only guys that should be back next year at WR for the Chargers are McConkey and DD and DD is a return specialist more than a WR...none of the other guys are worth a shit, they can't get open to save their lives and often when they do they still drop the ball uncontested, they can't catch contested balls and when you struggle to separate in the NFL you better have strong hands to catch contested passes...then there is the Greg Roman thing, is he using these guys correctly? I've had serious reservations about his play designs which force Herbert to thread the needle into areas where multiple defenders are present, are these guys running the wrong routes? or is the play design so poor that these WRs end up bunched up into the same areas of the field, either way it's forcing Herbert to hold on to the ball which is both dangerous for him and not fair to the O-line...
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            • Velo
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              Originally posted by Fouts2herbert View Post

              honest answer, because he's a bust, that's why he was on the street...you said blazing speed and size, doesn't that kind of apply to Chark, QJ, and Reagor too? obviously more goes into becoming a great WR that's not part of the 'measurables' used at the combine...

              it's depressing to think that the only guys that should be back next year at WR for the Chargers are McConkey and DD and DD is a return specialist more than a WR...none of the other guys are worth a shit, they can't get open to save their lives and often when they do they still drop the ball uncontested, they can't catch contested balls and when you struggle to separate in the NFL you better have strong hands to catch contested passes...then there is the Greg Roman thing, is he using these guys correctly? I've had serious reservations about his play designs which force Herbert to thread the needle into areas where multiple defenders are present, are these guys running the wrong routes? or is the play design so poor that these WRs end up bunched up into the same areas of the field, either way it's forcing Herbert to hold on to the ball which is both dangerous for him and not fair to the O-line...
              Shenault's Combine 40 time was 4.58, not exactly blazing. He's not real tall but he's thick and he can bully DBs. I remember him doing that to Chargers' DBs when the Jags came to SoFi in 2020. He's also shifty for a big man, he was returning kickoffs for the 'Hawks this season and returned one for 97 yds to the house earlier this year. I think of him as a poor, poor man's Deebo. The fact that Hortiz picked him up means something. Hortiz has proven he knows how to evaluate talent and bring in players who over-achieve. He's had a few misses (Bozeman, Hurst) but most of his acquisitions have been gold.

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              • Fouts2herbert
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                Originally posted by Velo View Post

                Shenault's Combine 40 time was 4.58, not exactly blazing. He's not real tall but he's thick and he can bully DBs. I remember him doing that to Chargers' DBs when the Jags came to SoFi in 2020. He's also shifty for a big man, he was returning kickoffs for the 'Hawks this season and returned one for 97 yds to the house earlier this year. I think of him as a poor, poor man's Deebo. The fact that Hortiz picked him up means something. Hortiz has proven he knows how to evaluate talent and bring in players who over-achieve. He's had a few misses (Bozeman, Hurst) but most of his acquisitions have been gold.
                so he was brought in to return kicks? I thought we had that covered already with both DD and Raegor? plus McConkey has returned some as well...ALL I want to know about Shenawl is can he run routes and hold on to the fucking ball? I could give two shits if we got him off bagging groceries at the local Piggly Wiggly or whatever the fuck, can he help to take some of the pressure off of McConkey and Herbert? Because right now none of the other shitheads are doing a fucking thing...
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                • dmac_bolt
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                  Originally posted by Boltinloudguy View Post

                  I wouldn’t say that just yet about Eboigbe. He’s a rook and 4th rounders don’t always contribute right away. I think next year will be his year and we can determine if the pick was a mistake.

                  On another note Harbaugh said Chark had real good week of practice. Is this the week that they actually use him🤷🏻‍♂️? I truly hope so!
                  My amateur observation for 30+ years is DTs that are not automatic Day 1 starters (e.g. Rd4s) often take 2 or even 3 years to develop. NFL OLs are just much better technique than college, they can’t get by just on physical traits like they did in college. It’s too soon but we can’t give any credit yet. Jury has to remain sequestered …
                  “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                  • dmac_bolt
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                    Originally posted by charger1_sj View Post

                    Could be. But he's supposed to be an edge rusher/DL line. 4th round edge rushers rarely make it big in the NFL. Whereas centers are not as
                    valued so finding a good or decent one is easier in the mid rounds, than finding a diamond in the rough @ edge.
                    He’s not an edge rusher. He’s a 3-gap (if thats the right term? Fuck, idunno anything lol - someone can correct me).
                    “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                    • powderblueboy
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                      Originally posted by dmac_bolt View Post

                      He’s not an edge rusher. He’s a 3-gap (if thats the right term? Fuck, idunno anything lol - someone can correct me).
                      He moved up and down the line on Alabama .... sometimes rushing off the edge.

                      I doubt Minter plans on using him that way when he starts seeing playing time.

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                      • dmac_bolt
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                        Originally posted by Velo View Post

                        Shenault's Combine 40 time was 4.58, not exactly blazing. He's not real tall but he's thick and he can bully DBs. I remember him doing that to Chargers' DBs when the Jags came to SoFi in 2020. He's also shifty for a big man, he was returning kickoffs for the 'Hawks this season and returned one for 97 yds to the house earlier this year. I think of him as a poor, poor man's Deebo. The fact that Hortiz picked him up means something. Hortiz has proven he knows how to evaluate talent and bring in players who over-achieve. He's had a few misses (Bozeman, Hurst) but most of his acquisitions have been gold.
                        He took one to the house while running 4.6? Huh. I hope this isnt the start of our next Deebo 2.0 (Deebo 3.0?) imaginations.

                        Deebo doesn’t really seem like Deebo anymore, btw. He had one monster year, i think it was 3 years ago. Hasn’t looked fully the same since. He is not close to the most significant part of SF offense, he’s more like #4-ish on the skill player pecking order there. Of course if we pick up our #4 contributor off the street, thats great.

                        I am all for seeing what he’s got if coaches see something in practices, I doubt he’s ready this week after just a couple days on the team.
                        “Less is more? NO NO NO - MORE is MORE!”

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                        • dmac_bolt
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                          Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

                          He moved up and down the line on Alabama .... sometimes rushing off the edge.

                          I doubt Minter plans on using him that way when he starts seeing playing time.
                          Yeah, but i think NFL will be different. He struck me as a bit too big and not fast or twitchy enough for an NFL edge role. He’s also not stout/fire-plug enough for A-gap run stuffing over the center (yet?) either, I hope he doesn’t become one of those tweeners that sounded great on paper but can never excel at any specific assignment. He looks like a B-gap DT, primarily in pass situations at first, to me but I’m wrong a lot and who knows what he develops into. in PS reps, he didn’t have technique down for the advanced post-grad class of NFL.

                          It’s not unusual for DTs to take time to develop, 2024 won’t be the year we find out. Henley burst big his 2nd year as a new-to-LB player, who knows. Way too soon to right him off, he has some physical abilities.
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