Chargers at Chiefs Official Game Day Thread (Week 14) | Post Game Discussion

[Fouts2herbert]

your take on Harbaugh is mine, exactly. He trusts, he delegates, and I suspect at times he is too loyal.

I don't know you got from there to Roman only cares about himself and all he wants is to impose his will on his players. Those are weird things to believe imo, it requires you reject without any facts much more obvious explanations for his performance and decisions.

To each ...

It might seem weird but it's not much of a theory when after 13 games we've seen so much inconsistency from the offensive side of the ball and the one constant from that side of the ball that we keep getting is question after question about why some things are being done the way that they are, why isn't player x playing even when healthy, why isn't player x getting targets etc...

who is asking those types of questions about our defense? yet on the offensive side there are many irregularities or unexplained kind of odd happenings with personnel decisions and things of that sort...to me it's pretty obvious that the common denominator in those questions being asked about the offense is Greg Roman...

if you have two crews each led by their own supervisor doing work for your firm and one crew is loaded with questions about employee issues and complications with projects on and on and the other crew seems to run smoothly and operate more efficiently at some point you have to wonder if one of the crews mysteriously got all the bad apples or you have to look at the person heading the bad crew and come to the realization that the supervisor of troubled crew is just not a good leader...

If Harbaugh fired both Minter and Roman today, who is going to get a job right away and who may or may not even get another wiff? I think the answer is obvious, Roman was unemployed for a reason and it's odd for these guys to be on the street and not be on a staff somewhere...

[Fouts2herbert]

Yet again, you know these things how? Having an opinion is one thing but stating said opinion repeatedly as fact is another. Nobody even said "meddling" meddling is not the right term, I said collaborating. I understand not liking Roman or how he calls a game, but to just make shit up and present it as fact does nothing for your argument.

Yes, it's my theory and I've never presented any of it as fact, it's just what makes sense to me about what is going on, just my own personal analysis based on all the stuff I read...It's my theory after 13 games, I feel like I've seen enough, I don't think Greg Roman is a good leader...I've seen so much inconsistency from the offensive side of the ball and the one constant from that side of the ball that we keep getting is question after question about why some things are being done the way that they are, why isn't player x playing even when healthy, why isn't player x getting targets etc...and unfortunately a lot of what's been happening on offense seems political and not merit based...who is asking uncomfortable questions about our defense? yet on the offensive side there are many irregularities or unexplained kind of odd happenings with personnel decisions and things of that sort...to me it's pretty obvious that the common denominator in those questions being asked about the offense is Greg Roman...

if you have two crews each led by their own supervisor doing work for your firm and one crew is loaded with questions about employee issues and complications with projects on and on and the other crew seems to run smoothly and operate more efficiently at some point you have to wonder if one of the crews mysteriously got all the bad apples OR you have to look at the person heading the bad crew and come to the realization that the supervisor of troubled crew is just not a good leader...

Roman's play calling reminds me of Lombardi's, that can't be a good thing, neither guy seemed to be in tune with the rhythm of the game, calling plays out of some script almost like guessing instead of clear understanding of what they defense is doing or prone to do...

can we agree that Roman has been consistently outclassed by the DCs he's faced all year, even the bad defenses have made our offense look stale and mediocre...

[AFboltfan]

Yes, it's my theory and I've never presented any of it as fact, it's just what makes sense to me about what is going on, just my own personal analysis based on all the stuff I read...It's my theory after 13 games, I feel like I've seen enough, I don't think Greg Roman is a good leader...I've seen so much inconsistency from the offensive side of the ball and the one constant from that side of the ball that we keep getting is question after question about why some things are being done the way that they are, why isn't player x playing even when healthy, why isn't player x getting targets etc...and unfortunately a lot of what's been happening on offense seems political and not merit based...who is asking uncomfortable questions about our defense? yet on the offensive side there are many irregularities or unexplained kind of odd happenings with personnel decisions and things of that sort...to me it's pretty obvious that the common denominator in those questions being asked about the offense is Greg Roman...

if you have two crews each led by their own supervisor doing work for your firm and one crew is loaded with questions about employee issues and complications with projects on and on and the other crew seems to run smoothly and operate more efficiently at some point you have to wonder if one of the crews mysteriously got all the bad apples OR you have to look at the person heading the bad crew and come to the realization that the supervisor of troubled crew is just not a good leader...

Roman's play calling reminds me of Lombardi's, that can't be a good thing, neither guy seemed to be in tune with the rhythm of the game, calling plays out of some script almost like guessing instead of clear understanding of what they defense is doing or prone to do...

can we agree that Roman has been consistently outclassed by the DCs he's faced all year, even the bad defenses have made our offense look stale and mediocre...

The first part of your argument is ridiculous, if things are political and not merit based that falls to Harbaugh (again) not Roman. If you want to insinuate a non-merit based system for playing time we have a much bigger problem on our hands than Roman. You are seriously trying way to hard to villify Roman alone... Unless you are in the locker room you have no clue.

No we do not agree he has been outclassed, not yet. Like I been saying, ask me again next season when we have more weapons.

[Fouts2herbert]

The first part of your argument is ridiculous, if things are political and not merit based that falls to Harbaugh (again) not Roman. If you want to insinuate a non-merit based system for playing time we have a much bigger problem on our hands than Roman. You are seriously trying way to hard to villify Roman alone... Unless you are in the locker room you have no clue.

No we do not agree he has been outclassed, not yet. Like I been saying, ask me again next season when we have more weapons.

so you have no issues with the way Roman is managing offensive play calling and offensive personnel? It’s just a weapons issue? Isn’t it something how people said the same about Staley’s defense for two years and even after he got Mack Staley was still putting pieces together, LOL! It took minter one offseason and a bunch of cast offs and retreads to make things right…okay I understand you not liking my theory but to deny the lack of imagination and creativity by Roman? I just can’t understand that, I guess you need a larger sample size

[AFboltfan]

so you have no issues with the way Roman is managing offensive play calling and offensive personnel? It’s just a weapons issue? Isn’t it something how people said the same about Staley’s defense for two years and even after he got Mack Staley was still putting pieces together, LOL! It took minter one offseason and a bunch of cast offs and retreads to make things right…okay I understand you not liking my theory but to deny the lack of imagination and creativity by Roman? I just can’t understand that, I guess you need a larger sample size

The only complaint I have about Roman is that he doesn't utilize the RB's in the passing game enough if at all... But I'm not going to ask for him to be fired in year one over it.

[richpjr]

[dmac_bolt]

so you have no issues with the way Roman is managing offensive play calling and offensive personnel? It’s just a weapons issue? Isn’t it something how people said the same about Staley’s defense for two years and even after he got Mack Staley was still putting pieces together, LOL! It took minter one offseason and a bunch of cast offs and retreads to make things right…okay I understand you not liking my theory but to deny the lack of imagination and creativity by Roman? I just can’t understand that, I guess you need a larger sample size

Lots of us have questions or concerns at various points with some of his play calling, which by definition includes personnel. But you jump from that view which has many followers to assert that he’s a petty, political, vindictive, selfish man who doesnt care about his HC or the team. That is a bizarre leap for which you have nothing but your conspiracy tin hat theory. I don’t even see the political logic of how he could possibly benefit from that. you’re fine to have that view, but why do you keep arguing with people about it when you have zero evidence that he’s a downright bad evil person?

Let it go already, you made your view known. Many have countered. You’ve repeated, we’ve repeated, this theme has ran in loops for many pages, lets all just move on.

[Fouts2herbert]

Lots of us have questions or concerns at various points with some of his play calling, which by definition includes personnel. But you jump from that view which has many followers to assert that he’s a petty, political, vindictive, selfish man who doesnt care about his HC or the team. That is a bizarre leap for which you have nothing but your conspiracy tin hat theory. I don’t even see the political logic of how he could possibly benefit from that. you’re fine to have that view, but why do you keep arguing with people about it when you have zero evidence that he’s a downright bad evil person?

Let it go already, you made your view known. Many have countered. You’ve repeated, we’ve repeated, this theme has ran in loops for many pages, lets all just move on.

Yep, not a fan...just seems completely out of place in what is otherwise a top tier coaching staff...he looks like he belongs on one of those cooking shows, Chef something something...hopefully he starts cooking better down the stretch and if he starts utilizing the personnel on the roster and actually commits to the run I'll stop posting about him for sure...

[dmac_bolt]

Yep, not a fan...just seems completely out of place in what is otherwise a top tier coaching staff...he looks like he belongs on one of those cooking shows, Chef something something...hopefully he starts cooking better down the stretch and if he starts utilizing the personnel on the roster and actually commits to the run I'll stop posting about him for sure...

I’m trying to respect Jim’s brilliance but I’m not a fan yet either. He continues to have too many spells where the play calling just doesn’t seem that great. Just me. But I think calling him a deceitful vindictive petty guy motivated by bad who doesn’t care about the team or anyone else besides himself is completely unfounded. I don’t see even a single iota of anything to make me think this is remotely possible as the reason.

I dont even see any rationale for it - how would intentionally sabotaging his offense benefit him in any way at all? He’d be writing his own career death sentence on purpose? Naw, I think he just is who he is and has been for a long time.

He’s more a grill guy, wearing a “smoke my meat” apron. He is not a chef - thats the problem.

[Chargers8491]

I’m trying to respect Jim’s brilliance but I’m not a fan yet either. He continues to have too many spells where the play calling just doesn’t seem that great. Just me. But I think calling him a deceitful vindictive petty guy motivated by bad who doesn’t care about the team or anyone else besides himself is completely unfounded. I don’t see even a single iota of anything to make me think this is remotely possible as the reason.

I dont even see any rationale for it - how would intentionally sabotaging his offense benefit him in any way at all? He’d be writing his own career death sentence on purpose? Naw, I think he just is who he is and has been for a long time.

He’s more a grill guy, wearing a “smoke my meat” apron. He is not a chef - thats the problem.

If you ask me, I think he is using this 1st year to evaluate the personnel he inherited. You can only evaluate players so much on film and in practice. He needs to know he is carrying on in the future and building around while trying to still win games. Which is kind of remarkable that they are playing for a PO spot. That's the only thing that really makes sense to me.

[dmac_bolt]

If you ask me, I think he is using this 1st year to evaluate the personnel he inherited. You can only evaluate players so much on film and in practice. He needs to know he is carrying on in the future and building around while trying to still win games. Which is kind of remarkable that they are playing for a PO spot. That's the only thing that really makes sense to me.

He should be trying to produce more offense while he's at it ... he took off all of last year to ponder and think deeply. This year he needs to get his ass to work.

We are not playing for a PO spot because of what he has done. We are playing for a spot because we have the #1 Scoring Defense in the league. IF he merely generated the average Charger offensive production of the last 10 years, we'd likely be 11-2 or 12-1

[Chargers8491]

He should be trying to produce more offense while he's at it ... he took off all of last year to ponder and think deeply. This year he needs to get his ass to work.

We are not playing for a PO spot because of what he has done. We are playing for a spot because we have the #1 Scoring Defense in the league. IF he merely generated the average Charger offensive production of the last 10 years, we'd likely be 11-2 or 12-1

I understand and agree for the most part, but part of the problem with the offense is that they players just are not executing. There have been several opportunities that the team just didn't capitalize on.

My point about the evaluation of players was mostly in response to why we are not seeing players like Chark replacing someone like QJ. They probably know they are not going forward with Chark, so they are letting QJ stay in while he was struggling to try and work it out. It was mostly based player/personnel decisions. If that make sense.