Chargers at Chiefs Official Game Day Thread (Week 14) | Post Game Discussion

[sonorajim]

He should be trying to produce more offense while he's at it ... he took off all of last year to ponder and think deeply. This year he needs to get his ass to work.

We are not playing for a PO spot because of what he has done. We are playing for a spot because we have the #1 Scoring Defense in the league. IF he merely generated the average Charger offensive production of the last 10 years, we'd likely be 11-2 or 12-1

Offensive player personnel are missing our three previously most productive vet receivers.
There's a major emphasis on no turnovers.
Harbaugh and Roman believe, correctly so, that a strong OL and 50/50 run / pass mix are keys to a dependable top offense.
It's a work in progress.Meanwhile we Did beat LVR, Car, Den, NO, Cle, Ten and Cincy with a mix of offense, 26.4 PPG and defense. Play like that every game, we'd be a top 10 offense. Atl was nearly all defense.
I want to win a playoff game this year. Well, the SB would be nice but there are some really good teams at the top. Not impossible, not likely either. That does nothing to lessen my desire. GO BOLTS !!

[dmac_bolt]

Offensive player personnel are missing our three previously most productive vet receivers.
There's a major emphasis on no turnovers.
Harbaugh and Roman believe, correctly so, that a strong OL and 50/50 run / pass mix are keys to a dependable top offense.
It's a work in progress.Meanwhile we Did beat LVR, Car, Den, NO, Cle, Ten and Cincy with a mix of offense, 26.4 PPG and defense. Play like that every game, we'd be a top 10 offense. Atl was nearly all defense.
I want to win a playoff game this year. Well, the SB would be nice but there are some really good teams at the top. Not impossible, not likely either. That does nothing to lessen my desire. GO BOLTS !!

But they don’t play like that every game. They scored 17 last week and lost by 2. They won by, what, 1 the week before scoring under 20 with 7 points scored by the defense.

I understand work in progress blah blah … i still haven’t seen enough to back him. I’m being as patient as I can be ..

[richpjr]

But they don’t play like that every game. They scored 17 last week and lost by 2. They won by, what, 1 the week before scoring under 20 with 7 points scored by the defense.

I understand work in progress blah blah … i still haven’t seen enough to back him. I’m being as patient as I can be ..

I think the jury is still out for a lot of people. But he ain't going anywhere anyway so...

[BayAreaBoltz]

I think the jury is still out for a lot of people. But he ain't going anywhere anyway so...

It's a hung jury

[richpjr]

It's a hung jury

It may be, but as I said before - aside from Dobbins and McConkey, the rest of the skill players around Herbert are mediocre to trash so I can't really judge Roman at this point. Add in a 3 crappy interior offensive linemen and it's even harder to judge.

[dmac_bolt]

It may be, but as I said before - aside from Dobbins and McConkey, the rest of the skill players around Herbert are mediocre to trash so I can't really judge Roman at this point. Add in a 3 crappy interior offensive linemen and it's even harder to judge.

Why are all 3 IOL players crappy? Zion was decent his first year, why can’t he play NFL football anymore? Why can’t GR coach them up to even be average? Jury deliberations must continue …

[powderblueboy]

Why are all 3 IOL players crappy? Zion was decent his first year, why can’t he play NFL football anymore? Why can’t GR coach them up to even be average? Jury deliberations must continue …

You mean why is Zion crappy - well worth a thread on its own.

The other two are flopsam and jetsam: look them up as pictorial representations in the dictionary.

[powderblueboy]

Yes, it's my theory and I've never presented any of it as fact, it's just what makes sense to me about what is going on, just my own personal analysis based on all the stuff I read...It's my theory after 13 games, I feel like I've seen enough, [B]I don't think Greg Roman is a good leader[/B]...I've seen so much inconsistency from the offensive side of the ball and the one constant from that side of the ball that we keep getting is question after question about why some things are being done the way that they are, why isn't player x playing even when healthy, why isn't player x getting targets etc...and unfortunately a lot of what's been happening on offense seems political and not merit based...who is asking uncomfortable questions about our defense? yet on the offensive side there are many irregularities or unexplained kind of odd happenings with personnel decisions and things of that sort...to me it's pretty obvious that the common denominator in those questions being asked about the offense is Greg Roman...

if you have two crews each led by their own supervisor doing work for your firm and one crew is loaded with questions about employee issues and complications with projects on and on and the other crew seems to run smoothly and operate more efficiently at some point you have to wonder if one of the crews mysteriously got all the bad apples OR you have to look at the person heading the bad crew and come to the realization that the supervisor of troubled crew is just not a good leader...

Roman's play calling reminds me of Lombardi's, that can't be a good thing, neither guy seemed to be in tune with the rhythm of the game, calling plays out of some script almost like guessing instead of clear understanding of what they defense is doing or prone to do...

can we agree that Roman has been consistently outclassed by the DCs he's faced all year, even the bad defenses have made our offense look stale and mediocre...

Not a good leader implies that there is something lacking in his personality or character ..... not an effective OC should suffice.

The struggles of the interior and wide receivers: how much of that has to do with Greg Roman? Many will differ in oppinion by degree.

[powderblueboy]

It may be, but as I said before - aside from Dobbins and McConkey, the rest of the skill players around Herbert are mediocre to trash so I can't really judge Roman at this point. Add in a 3 crappy interior offensive linemen and it's even harder to judge.

Mediocre as in solid starters? Mediocre to trash is a purposfully misleading description.

Gus Edwards is a solid rotational running back; when healthy, Josh Palmer is a solid 2nd/3rd NFL receiver;

Stop running QJ on fly patterns and you got another tool you can use.

Zion is not progressing: how much does this have to do with Greg Roman's schemes and teaching?

When you have a guy coming in with question marks, and he has done nothing to dispel those questions marks,
and that which he is good at implementing isn't working out,
and you hear how the Oline is not picking up his complex run blocking schemes .... but they'll soon get there.

Of whom does this remind you?

Maybe, its time to start considering going in another direction.

[richpjr]

Mediocre as in solid starters? Mediocre to trash is a purposfully misleading description.

Mediocre to trash is the phrase I chose on purpose. Tell me which skill players on our O would start for KC? Baltimore? Buffalo? Detroit? Minnesota? Ladd in the slot maybe? Certainly nobody else. Add in the worst interior line in the league and you have what we have - an inconsistent O that struggles and it's naive to think that any other OC than Roman is going to wave a magic wand and turn these guys into something they aren't.

To be clear - I'm not a Roman fan and he certainly wasn't my first choice as OC. The only thing I continue to maintain is that it's silly to judge him based on what he has to work with. I kind of chuckle at the thought that some of you guys actually think Harbaugh is going to replace him. He won't replace him, he'll give him the players he needs to run his smash mouth scheme.

[powderblueboy]

Mediocre to trash is the phrase I chose on purpose. Tell me which skill players on our O would start for KC? Baltimore? Buffalo? Detroit? Minnesota? Ladd in the slot maybe? Certainly nobody else. Add in the worst interior line in the league and you have what we have - an inconsistent O that struggles and it's naive to think that any other OC than Roman is going to wave a magic wand and turn these guys into something they aren't.

To be clear - I'm not a Roman fan and he certainly wasn't my first choice as OC. The only thing I continue to maintain is that it's silly to judge him based on what he has to work with. I kind of chuckle at the thought that some of you guys actually think Harbaugh is going to replace him. He won't replace him, he'll give him the players he needs to run his smash mouth scheme.

Of course you chose it purposefully, and it was done to mislead ... that was the issue that your hand waiving declaration fails to address.
No Charger skill players would have started on the 1980 Chargers either .... irgo, you can't put up more than 8 first downs in a game with them?

You are trying to kick up dirt and misdirect the argument: they have enough skilled players to be getting better results in most halfs.

And as for Ladd sitting behind Worthy and the ancient Hopkins: only you believe that.

I don't think Harbaugh replaces him either: generally, it takes two cycles of the same thing happening repeatedly for these guys to cycle out.
See Lombo.

[richpjr]

Of course you chose it purposefully, and it was done to mislead ... that was the issue that your hand waiving declaration fails to address.
No Charger skill players would have started on the 1980 Chargers either .... irgo, you can't put up more than 8 first downs in a game with them?

You are trying to kick up dirt and misdirect the argument: they have enough skilled players to be getting better results in most halfs.

And as for Ladd sitting behind Worthy and the ancient Hopkins: only you believes in that.

LOL - an opinion is neither leading nor misleading. It is just an opinion. I'm not even responding to your argument as it is pointless since IMO Roman is going nowhere. I'm just saying I won't judge him until he has actual starting quality NFL players in the key positions.