Rashawn Slater Season Ending Injury - Who is Up?

[Fouts2herbert]

I don't know why exactly. Good question. What Slater is going through sounds familiar to me. Do you remember seeing Slater doing the deadlifts when he was in college? That was the definition of intensity. I very much relate to that level of intensity in my workouts. Slater personified intensity in that video. That can be a good thing - if your body can handle it. Your body can wear down from that too. That was my experience. I believe Slater's workout intensity and next level quality attitude could actually impede his healing to a degree. Slater's probably going to want to show everyone that the Chargers investment in him was smart and not a waste.That thinking has the potential of leading Slater to do more than he ideally should in his rehab schedule. And like I mentioned before, Slater has now had two major injuries (the biceps tear and now the ACL) by the age of 26 that seem to be a result of cumulative work load as opposed to an obvious acute one-time severe action type injury. If you look at Slater's ACL tear he wasn't even touched. No one fell on his knee. And I think the same can be said regarding Slater's biceps tear a couple years ago. His body gave out like he was much older. But I hope I'm wrong in my observations. I hope Rashawn comes back better than ever and STAYS healthy. I'm rooting for that.THAT and this post on page 15 of this thread by our "DerwinBosa"...





I don't know if anyone has posted this article, but I think these are the key points.

Slater will undergo surgery and be placed on injured reserve. He will miss the 2025 season. What awaits is a recovery time of 10 to 12 months, according to Dr. Carlos Uquillas, an orthopedic surgeon at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and a team physician for the Los Angeles Angels.

“A lot of people do return from this injury,” Uquillas said. “Sometimes not at the same level.”

The Chargers are familiar with this injury. Cornerback J.C. Jackson tore his patellar tendon in Week 7 of 2022, eight months after he signed an $82.5 million free-agent contract with the team. Jackson suffered the injury in November. He was back for Week 1 of the 2023 season. Jackson played two games before he was traded to the New England Patriots. He has been out of the league since the end of the 2023 season.

According to Uquillas, though, the recovery for “speed players” like receivers, running backs and defensive backs tends to be “a little harder” compared to linemen.

“For linemen,” Uquillas said, “I think it’s potentially a little bit easier.”

Cleveland Browns tackle Jack Conklin, for instance, tore his patellar tendon in late November 2021. He returned in Week 3 of 2022 and played more than 900 snaps over 14 starts.

So there is some hope for 2026.

Later in the article:

Slater will have to dig more deeply than he ever has in the months ahead. The patellar tendon attaches the knee to the shin and, thus, the quad muscle to the shin. Without the tendon, Uquillas said, “you have no ability to extend your knee.”

Atrophy will occur without movement.

“It takes just a really long time to build the bulk and that strength back up,” Uquillas said. “Left tackles, their quads are massive. So to get back to that level takes a ton of time and effort.”


It will be interesting to see what happens after Joe Alt plays left tackle this season. Even if Slater is able to make a full recovery, he may have to switch positions if Alt has an All-Pro year on the left side. And I think Hortiz should be looking at the offensive tackles this college football season.



Chargers’ Rashawn Slater faces long road ahead after devastating knee injury
https://www.nytimes.com
According to orthopedic surgeon Dr. Carlos Uquillas: "A lot of people do return from this injury. Sometimes not at the same level.”

...well...I hope he comes back and doesn't over do it like you think he will, at the end of the day his job requires intensity, it's probably why he trains for it accordingly, this is his second big injury in 5 years, but it's promising that it's only his first lower body injury in that period. The torn bicep was a really dirty play by one of the Jaguars players. Rashawn might have shorter arms but his grip strength is elite level and he frustrates defenders by locking them down. I don't remember who the Jaguar lineman was now but if you watch the video of that play he used some kind of MMA move on his arm, it was not a pass rush move, nothing that's taught to get past linemen, it was purely malicious and intended to hurt him and he did, was probably frustrated that Slater had been keeping him away from the QB all day, IDK...I've seen a LOT of hand fighting over the years but I've never seen a defensive lineman use that type of Marshal Arts type chop move to attack the arm of an offensive lineman. He came back from his torn biceps with no issues, but these lower body injuries are the ones that take a toll over a career, this one is more serious...

[21&500]

Marciano was t-rex and would extend the right a long ways with power: same thing with usyk with the left (who is longer - but going up against some real behemoths).
Anyways, there is a difference in motion between throwing punches towards the head vs. throwing them at the chest.

You make up stuff about Rashawn Slater using techniques, in compensation for his lack of length, that would eventually overstress his physique .... and that you were in the know on draft day, and its irritating.
Basically, you are saying that he's damaged goods .... so its not an inconsequential statement.

And here is what I said:
Are you a kinesiologist? the study of the principles of mechanics and anatomy in relation to human movement.

and here was your response to what you said:
"No but appeals to authority is also nonsense.
depending on HOW these injuries happened, there could be merit to this, ....."

And here was my response:
You talk about appeals to authority being nonsense, and then you bring Belichick into the conversation .... do you see the contradiction?

And so instead of this giving you pause, you double down on your conviction, inventing a disclaimer along the way and insisting that its okee doke if only applied to a specific strategy; and then you have the hudspah to declare that i am in the wrong.

.... which distracts from the central issue of you having zero training in analyzing the motion of body parts, and its stresses .... although, even there you seem to suggest that you might have some knowledge in that field of study ... of which I highly doubt.

My basic problem is that you didn't bother to use the oppinons of a scientist, kinesthiologist or medical professional on the issue, people who have devoted their life to a particular domain of study
(those you denigrate as being nonsensical "appeals to authority"), but you eagerly grasp at the conventions of a comparitively stupid head football coach as your impeccable authority. Even the oppinion of an offensive lineman or line coach on technique and injury would have been much better warranted ..... this being informed by experience and the inclusion of trainers, who consult with medical proffesionals.

If you stuck with your personal experience, and dangled it as perhaps one possible explanation for Slater's injuries (btw, one to the biceps, the other to the leg), then I would have been okay with it.

I have never claimed anything beyond my own personal knowledge and suspicion.
and I went ahead and highlighted where you contradict yourself.
I think in time you'll come to find that you're ultimately upset with the distressing news of Slater's injury, misread my posts and interpreted them as boasting about some pre-draft concern, foolishly rushed to his defense and spent more time than you needed to, to double down on some asinine critique of my posts, falsley accusing me of not doing something but also irritating because yada yada, hurt feelings.
you're a solid regular here sir, as am I, all this ad homenin attack is clearly bullshit. sensitivity, triggered bullshit.
I'm pulling for every guy wearing our colors, but I'm also going to question every damn thing and use every bit of my pee-brain, non-scientific, non-medical perspective.
but the good news, is that I will never claim to do so, and I will always use simple words I can understand like, "could" and "maybe" and "imv"
sincerely hope your irritation goes away. We have much to celebrate in 2025.

[Whydachargers?]

...well...I hope he comes back and doesn't over do it like you think he will, at the end of the day his job requires intensity, it's probably why he trains for it accordingly, this is his second big injury in 5 years, but it's promising that it's only his first lower body injury in that period. The torn bicep was a really dirty play by one of the Jaguars players. Rashawn might have shorter arms but his grip strength is elite level and he frustrates defenders by locking them down. I don't remember who the Jaguar lineman was now but if you watch the video of that play he used some kind of MMA move on his arm, it was not a pass rush move, nothing that's taught to get past linemen, it was purely malicious and intended to hurt him and he did, was probably frustrated that Slater had been keeping him away from the QB all day, IDK...I've seen a LOT of hand fighting over the years but I've never seen a defensive lineman use that type of Marshal Arts type chop move to attack the arm of an offensive lineman. He came back from his torn biceps with no issues, but these lower body injuries are the ones that take a toll over a career, this one is more serious...

F2f, I HOPE you're right about Slater's biceps tendon tear. This article from Daniel Popper (posted a day after the game in September of 2022) paints a different picture though...

1. All-Pro left tackle Rashawn Slater tore his biceps in the third quarter Sunday, and head coach Brandon Staley said Monday that the Chargers “believe” Slater will miss the rest of the season. Slater was injured on a relatively routine play. The Chargers had driven inside the Jaguars’ 10-yard line on their opening possession of the second half. On first-and-goal, Justin Herbert dropped back off play action. Slater engaged Jaguars defensive lineman Roy Robertson-Harris on the edge. As Slater extended his left arm into Robertson-Harris’ chest, he felt something grab. He pulled his arm away. Herbert rolled right. Slater let Robertson-Harris through and dropped to a knee as he stared at his left biceps, clearly in pain.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/3632483/2022/09/26/chargers-jaguars-final-thoughts-injuries/

[Whydachargers?]

Fouts2herbert, I just thought of something that might shed more light on that Slater bicep tendon play. I could send Popper a question about it on Twitter (X). Maybe he can tell me where I can find video of the play as well! I searched on Google.com to no avail.

[powderblueboy]

Fouts2herbert, I just thought of something that might shed more light on that Slater bicep tendon play. I could send Popper a question about it on Twitter (X). Maybe he can tell me where I can find video of the play as well! I searched on Google.com to no avail.

I remember watching the play ..... you won't be able to tell what happened from the angle you'll get, so don't bother searching.

[Riverwalk]

I remember watching the play ..... you won't be able to tell what happened from the angle you'll get, so don't bother searching.

No problem. The made up stuff is better than reality.

[Xenos]

I think they can do better, but it's a start...

Maybe just a body to get through preseason.

[Boltjolt]

I don't know why exactly. Good question. What Slater is going through sounds familiar to me. Do you remember seeing Slater doing the deadlifts when he was in college? That was the definition of intensity. I very much relate to that level of intensity in my workouts. Slater personified intensity in that video. That can be a good thing - if your body can handle it. Your body can wear down from that too. That was my experience. I believe Slater's workout intensity and next level quality attitude could actually impede his healing to a degree. Slater's probably going to want to show everyone that the Chargers investment in him was smart and not a waste.That thinking has the potential of leading Slater to do more than he ideally should in his rehab schedule. And like I mentioned before, Slater has now had two major injuries (the biceps tear and now the ACL) by the age of 26 that seem to be a result of cumulative work load as opposed to an obvious acute one-time severe action type injury. If you look at Slater's ACL tear he wasn't even touched. No one fell on his knee. And I think the same can be said regarding Slater's biceps tear a couple years ago. His body gave out like he was much older. But I hope I'm wrong in my observations. I hope Rashawn comes back better than ever and STAYS healthy. I'm rooting for that.THAT and this post on page 15 of this thread by our "DerwinBosa"...





I don't know if anyone has posted this article, but I think these are the key points.

Slater will undergo surgery and be placed on injured reserve. He will miss the 2025 season. What awaits is a recovery time of 10 to 12 months, according to Dr. Carlos Uquillas, an orthopedic surgeon at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center and a team physician for the Los Angeles Angels.

“A lot of people do return from this injury,” Uquillas said. “Sometimes not at the same level.”

The Chargers are familiar with this injury. Cornerback J.C. Jackson tore his patellar tendon in Week 7 of 2022, eight months after he signed an $82.5 million free-agent contract with the team. Jackson suffered the injury in November. He was back for Week 1 of the 2023 season. Jackson played two games before he was traded to the New England Patriots. He has been out of the league since the end of the 2023 season.

According to Uquillas, though, the recovery for “speed players” like receivers, running backs and defensive backs tends to be “a little harder” compared to linemen.

“For linemen,” Uquillas said, “I think it’s potentially a little bit easier.”

Cleveland Browns tackle Jack Conklin, for instance, tore his patellar tendon in late November 2021. He returned in Week 3 of 2022 and played more than 900 snaps over 14 starts.

So there is some hope for 2026.

Later in the article:

Slater will have to dig more deeply than he ever has in the months ahead. The patellar tendon attaches the knee to the shin and, thus, the quad muscle to the shin. Without the tendon, Uquillas said, “you have no ability to extend your knee.”

Atrophy will occur without movement.

“It takes just a really long time to build the bulk and that strength back up,” Uquillas said. “Left tackles, their quads are massive. So to get back to that level takes a ton of time and effort.”


It will be interesting to see what happens after Joe Alt plays left tackle this season. Even if Slater is able to make a full recovery, he may have to switch positions if Alt has an All-Pro year on the left side. And I think Hortiz should be looking at the offensive tackles this college football season.



Chargers’ Rashawn Slater faces long road ahead after devastating knee injury
https://www.nytimes.com
According to orthopedic surgeon Dr. Carlos Uquillas: "A lot of people do return from this injury. Sometimes not at the same level.”

I know you likely missed typed but he didnt tear his ACL, he tore his patellar tendon. Which could be worse.

[Riverwalk]

Regarding Slaters recovery….

JC Jackson ruptured his patellar in the 7th game of the 2022 season and returned to play the season opener in 2023

Granted he played like shit but he was benched in 2022 before the injury for shitty play.

Slater will have almost 3 more months to recover than JC had before the first 2026 game.

13 months to rehab versus 10 is a significantly longer time to heal.

We all know Rashawn is a workout warrior that is admired by all his teammates.

It won’t be a cakewalk but I believe he will be back for the season opener next year and play well.

[sonorajim]

Regarding Slaters recovery….

JC Jackson ruptured his patellar in the 7th game of the 2022 season and returned to play the season opener in 2023

Granted he played like shit but he was benched in 2022 before the injury for shitty play.

Slater will have almost 3 more months to recover than JC had before the first 2026 game.

13 months to rehab versus 10 is a significantly longer time to heal.

We all know Rashawn is a workout warrior that is admired by all his teammates.

It won’t be a cakewalk but I believe he will be back for the season opener next year and play well.

I agree that Slater will probably be back. Surgical procedures advance all the time with all the electronic sharing and NFL money. I'm a way downstream knee patient. My Dr whom I like and respect made the point that every operation and recovery is different. I believe that to be true but given the advances and money available, I also expect that the probability of Slater's return next year is high.

[powderblueboy]

Regarding Slaters recovery….

JC Jackson ruptured his patellar in the 7th game of the 2022 season and returned to play the season opener in 2023

Granted he played like shit but he was benched in 2022 before the injury for shitty play.

Slater will have almost 3 more months to recover than JC had before the first 2026 game.

13 months to rehab versus 10 is a significantly longer time to heal.

We all know Rashawn is a workout warrior that is admired by all his teammates.

It won’t be a cakewalk but I believe he will be back for the season opener next year and play well.

that was crazy putting JC Jackson out there so soon .... probably didn't matter.
Staley was in save my job mode by then.

[Whydachargers?]

I know you likely missed typed but he didnt tear his ACL, he tore his patellar tendon. Which could be worse.

Geesh