Chargers at Jaguars (Week 11) | Pre-game Discussion

[Caslon]

J Hebert is awesome, but he hasn't shown that "it" magic that Brady, Montana and Mahomes have shown at critical times. Not saying he doesn't have it. Just not seen it yet.
How many QB's in todays game ( other than Mahomes ) have shown that "it" factor?

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I think we all pretty much believe this too. Stay tuned tho.

[ChargingBolts]

Thanks R. This is my observational sense of watching a lot of games. The thing is - even Caleb is only 3 more than the next 2. Thats only one tip every 3 games, that difference is not going to cause a difference in outcomes either. No team is losing games because they have one extra tip every 3 games. And in fact - The Bears have a better record than not just the 'Boys and JAX, but 10 other NFC teams. They sit at #6 in the conference today.

Bo sits at #4. Last time I looked DEN was at 8-2?

The Chargers aren't losing games because of a few tips. It was noted Justin's big increase last game to 3 that he has to fix. Well first off, thats random noise, the longer data set clearly shows that it is random and can vary game to game without meaning anything. If he had 3 every game, he'd have 30. Second, we won. So it did not alter the game. Its just not a factor to lament over.

To me the big takeaway from this entire chart is no QB has an unusual #tips that are significantly different than other teams and affecting their team more than any other QBs.

But Herbert had 2 against the Giants and Washington both resulting in ints which resulted in points given up and 2 losses. Some fans should take off the blinders and have it be okay to have constructive criticism.

[Bolt4Knob]

J Hebert is awesome, but he hasn't shown that "it" magic that Brady, Montana and Mahomes have shown at critical times. Not saying he doesn't have it. Just not seen it yet.
How many QB's in todays game ( other than Mahomes ) have shown that "it" factor?

Before the first game of the year, Herbert had given the Chargers a lead over to the defense four times with 2:28 on the clock or less
The Chargers record in those games was 1-3

That said, did you look at Peyton Mannings first five or six years in the league, rough sledding especially the playoffs
herbert has time

Mahomes is unique. He is just a stud and has been from his first year starting in KC. No denying that

[Bolt-O]

[richpjr]

perhaps. perhaps not. Are we talking about 2025 Herbert or 2020 Herbert, or 2021 Herbert, or who? what is relevant to this season? A large number of the QBs on the 2025 list Rich posted weren't playing in the NFL in 2020 so a 5-year score will not find them on that top list. Many were still not playing in 2021. Some were not even playing in 2022. etc ...

are you denigrating counter-arguments as "backlash" to avoid engaging in the substance? We did this same tipped ball analysis for 2024 during the off-season when the same argument that Justin needed to be fixed and be better was being posted, and we got the same exact result. I respectfully counter that I didn't lash - I simply posted my opinion and I also state that others are free to believe differently.

Like you, perhaps? Not really sure, and its ok either way. you can believe that 8 tipped passes in 10 games is a huge flaw that must be corrected. I disagree, I think data supports my view, and I'll post it. no problems here though - believe whatever you believe.

Herbert has had 76 passes batted in his career. Here are the numbers by year:

2020 7
2021 17
2022 23
2023 11
2024 10
2025 8

The 23 in 2022 was when he hurt his ribs. I could only find the stats for the last 2 years of Rivers career for batted passes. He had 11 in 2019 and 10 in 2020. Identical to Herbert's 23 and 24 seasons. I'll say it again, it isn't anything abnormal.

[Bolt4Knob]

But Herbert had 2 against the Giants and Washington both resulting in ints which resulted in points given up and 2 losses. Some fans should take off the blinders and have it be okay to have constructive criticism.

It is fine to be realistic about Herbert. One of the INTs against the Giants, didn't Conklin pick off Ladd which lead to the interception. The pass in the end zone, terrible -- against Washington.

[richpjr]

J Hebert is awesome, but he hasn't shown that "it" magic that Brady, Montana and Mahomes have shown at critical times. Not saying he doesn't have it. Just not seen it yet.
How many QB's in todays game ( other than Mahomes ) have shown that "it" factor?

What is the "it" factor? Leading your team to a win late in crunch time? Herbert is 2nd to only Mahomes in game winning drives since he came into the league.

Herbert isn't perfect and until he wins a playoff game the noise will continue but so many ignore how it is a team game and along with the QB play, coaching and the rest of the team around the QB matters.

[Riverwalk]

Herbert has to win at least a playoff game before he gets the crown some of you think he already should have.

That’s just the way it works.

Among current QB’s, to me, Matthew Stafford looks like the MVP. He leads the NFL with 25 passing TD’s and averages 269;yards per game (first overall) with just 2 interceptions and a career best passer rating of 109.3. He is 37 and in his 17th season.

[DerwinBosa]

J Hebert is awesome, but he hasn't shown that "it" magic that Brady, Montana and Mahomes have shown at critical times. Not saying he doesn't have it. Just not seen it yet.
How many QB's in todays game ( other than Mahomes ) have shown that "it" factor?

Or Unitas. Lol.

There have been plenty of other quarterbacks who have come up big in the most crucial moments. Those three and Unitas are just the greatest in NFL history, and I'm not expecting that from Herbert, nor do I care about it. My goal is to see the team win a Super Bowl and hopefully at least a few more after that. I couldn't care less if the quarterback, running back, defensive back, whatever is awarded Super Bowl MVP.

[Bolt4Knob]

Herbert has to win at least a playoff game before he gets the crown some of you think he already should have.

That’s just the way it works.

Among current QB’s, to me, Matthew Stafford looks like the MVP. He leads the NFL with 25 passing TD’s and averages 269;yards per game (first overall) with just 2 interceptions and a career best passer rating of 109.3. He is 37 and in his 17th season.

Fair on the first point,. He has to win a playoff game

Stafford and Taylor are far away the leaders in the MVP race at this point

[DerwinBosa]

Herbert has to win at least a playoff game before he gets the crown some of you think he already should have.

That’s just the way it works.

Among current QB’s, to me, Matthew Stafford looks like the MVP. He leads the NFL with 25 passing TD’s and averages 269;yards per game (first overall) with just 2 interceptions and a career best passer rating of 109.3. He is 37 and in his 17th season.

Stafford is the top candidate among quarterbacks, for sure, but my vote would go for Jonathan Taylor--even though the voters don't seem to want anyone but a quarterback to win MVP these days.

[jamrock]

Stafford is the top candidate among quarterbacks, for sure, but my vote would go for Jonathan Taylor--even though the voters don't seem to want anyone but a quarterback to win MVP these days.

Taylor is having the LT 2006 year. Was that the last time an RB was MVP.

Stafford also has a good case at this point of the season.