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  • Riverwalk
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    #2617
    Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post
    The take from Popper's replacement at The Athletic

    Mike McDaniel tried to change Justin Herbert, and now the Chargers are 0-4

    SEATTLE — It was fourth-and-7 from his own 10-yard line. Justin Herbert needed to come up with something for the Los Angeles Chargers, who were facing defeat, down 10 in the closing moments. Herbert’s initial reads did not materialize before the Seattle Seahawks’ Super Bowl-winning defense, matched up against reserves at four of five offensive line positions, flushed him from the pocket.

    Rolling right, he let one go. Forty-four yards later, Quentin Johnston came down with it.

    Outside the structure of an offense that’s tried to change him, Herbert looked like himself. Back from the sunken place. His most memorable highlights in a 30-23 loss that dropped the Chargers to 0-4 on the season were not scripted — they often haven’t been throughout his career.

    But one of the first things Mike McDaniel did upon taking over as offensive coordinator was alter the footwork of his Pro Bowl quarterback, ahead of Herbert’s seventh season, to help him better fit his vision. McDaniel said Herbert was receptive, which he was. Herbert tried to be the player McDaniel wanted him to be and, at least outwardly, has remained steadfast. “I think Mike is the greatest, and I want to make him proud and do everything I can to pick up the offense and do exactly what he asks,” Herbert said Sunday.

    Two interceptions in the first half of Week 4 left Herbert at a crossroads, though.

    “It’s better to throw the ball away or go scramble, so there’s plenty of other things that I can do,” he said postgame. “We got to go make plays … and know that running and scrambling is better than turning the ball over.”

    Herbert had never played a worse first half of football since entering the NFL, as he set new career lows for completions (five), completion percentage (35.7) and passing yardage (36) through two quarters at Lumen Field.

    In the second half, however, he completed 14 of 17 passes for 153 yards and a touchdown, despite taking — as right guard Cole Strange characterized it — “too many” hard hits in the process. “I think it galvanizes the guys,” Strange, one of the Chargers’ last offensive linemen still standing after four quarters, said of Herbert’s resilience.

    Instead of sliding, Herbert fought for extra yards — and not exclusively on designed runs. He took matters into his own hands and just barely fell short of willing the Chargers to a signature comeback win.
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    The late offensive surge gave head coach Jim Harbaugh, persistently averse to publicly acknowledging negative aspects of his team, something to talk about postgame. It seemed to leave him hopeful that things still could get better without wholesale change. Harbaugh also continued to endorse McDaniel, the independent variable in all of this.

    “No, no, no!” Harbaugh said when he realized an initial non-answer on McDaniel’s job security could leave room for speculation. “His job is not in jeopardy. He’s a skilled coach, and we’re going to keep growing.”
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    Players of Herbert’s caliber don’t just forget how to play football. And yet, one offseason with a new coordinator and his tailored system has managed to show that effect more often than not four games in. Herbert’s six interceptions are the most he’s thrown through this point of the season.

    Maybe it’s too late to turn back. Harbaugh took an unusually bold step by hiring McDaniel and, in the same breath, firing Greg Roman, who had called the offensive plays for Harbaugh over his six prior seasons as an NFL head coach, with both the San Francisco 49ers (2011-14) and Chargers (2024-25).

    Now, if the Chargers were to go away from McDaniel, then who’d get the nod? Harbaugh has never called plays in the NFL.
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    McDaniel expected more from this iteration of his offense and, frankly, has appeared at a loss for answers. He says all the right things during the week — that the goal is to coach to the strengths of his players; that nobody cares about improvement absent wins; that his ego should not get in the way of fielding a productive offense.

    Four losses in, though, people are left to wonder what he’s been up to since Harbaugh handed him the keys eight months ago. Apparently, it takes a lot of work to make Superman look human — and less to let Superman just be Superman.
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    “He said that our entire season had kind of built us up, prepared us for this moment, which is pretty valid,” Strange said of McDaniel’s halftime message. “We hadn’t won anything all year. First half (Sunday) was atrocious. So, it’s just, like, keep coming back, keep getting up, don’t quit, keep fighting.

    “And I mean, I don’t know. We did that, but s—, we still didn’t win.”
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    In his own words this offseason, McDaniel explained his goal to have Herbert “own the position in a way he never has,” so the offense would not have to rely on his “ability to do above and beyond.”

    Yet, when the Chargers were backed up close to their own end zone on a do-or-die fourth down, they leaned on Herbert the way they always have in the past. Harbaugh called it one of the “grittiest” performances he’d been part of, his team a two-minute drill away from overtime after clawing back from three possessions down.

    “We’re gonna keep going for that breakthrough,” he said. “Back-to-back touchdown drives, that was a good sign. It’s what staying the course looks like.”

    Indeed, the Chargers have stayed the course to this point. And now, they’re 0-4.
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    Well written but too black and white, IMO. Like it’s all McDaniels fault for holding Herbert back.

    I still ain’t buying those two interceptions were anyone but Herbert’s fault.

    Nevertheless, people like simple minded narratives that it’s just this one thing.

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    • Boltjolt
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      #2618
      Originally posted by CanadianBoltFan View Post

      No one said those were not 2 bad interceptions right to LBs. Maybe the worst of Herbert's career.

      And lets not crown the run game after one decent performance of many bad ones
      Actually we have only had 1 not so good rushing attack.
      Better against the Raiders and the last two have been pretty good.
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      • Caslon
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        #2619
        Was that WR Tre who muffed the punt? If so, let Davis handle them from here on out.

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        • sonorajim
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          #2620
          Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post

          Well written but too black and white, IMO. Like it’s all McDaniels fault for holding Herbert back.

          I still ain’t buying those two interceptions were anyone but Herbert’s fault.

          Nevertheless, people like simple minded narratives that it’s just this one thing.
          Makes a concept easier to grasp, don't it?

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          • jamrock
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            #2621
            Originally posted by Caslon View Post
            Was that WR Tre who muffed the punt? If so, let Davis handle them from here on out.
            Good call Caslon

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            • sonorajim
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              #2622
              Originally posted by Caslon View Post
              Was that WR Tre who muffed the punt? If so, let Davis handle them from here on out.
              Huh? Davis muffed one that was recovered by Sea and resulted in a Sea TD.

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              • Caslon
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                #2623
                Originally posted by sonorajim View Post

                Huh? Davis muffed one that was recovered by Sea and resulted in a Sea TD.
                sorry, meant Darius

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                • jaguarmanftype
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                  #2624
                  All McDaniel had to do was bring the 2019-2021 49ers Shanahan offense with him, but instead he brought the Tua offense. If you remember how the 49ers played in those years, it was similar in philosophy to Greg Roman, just with better route concepts and added window dressing.

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                  • Craig440
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                    #2625
                    I agree the interceptions were Herberts fault, but all QB's throw Int's now and then. That does not explain the total breakdown of the rest of the game. All our little motion is not fooling anyone. It looks pretty basic to me. That was supposed to be a high point. Basically, when Hamptons in there we are going to run off tackle, when Mitchell is in, we are going to toss a sweep. Happens 95% of the time.

                    I can call the plays from my couch way too much. I'm pretty sure towards the end of the game it was not MM calling the plays because they started to work.

                    As you might notice I am not a fan of MM.

                    I'm trying to be positive like NoMoreChillies and I have been for 65 years, but, it's hard to watch such a talent as Herbert get wasted.

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                    • Rambler
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                      #2626
                      I'm not changing my mind about Greg Roman. He did fine for most of the regular season, but couldn't adjust to playoff football. It was time for someone else.

                      I am changing my mind about McDaniel, who I thought would be a home-run hire. He had success with a different set of players with skillsets far different from those of the key offensive players we have. I agree with those saying he doesn't seem to tailor his playcalls to the strengths of the offense. Is he trying to make Omarion into a speedback? Slater and Alt into agile sliders? Herbert into a timing passer? Maybe with enough time and practice they could perform those roles pretty well, and have more well-rounded skills. But it might be better to sprinkle in a few of those skill-rounding calls with a lot more that take advantage of the more natural strengths of his players. It's up to Harbaugh to both publicly support Mike as he has done, but also push him behind the scenes in this direction. I think he will do that (and maybe that has already started).

                      There is a lot of tentative, mistake-filled play going on here, with injuries and losses piling up. The offense is showing signs of real frustration. Special teams are nothing special so far. But I don't think the team has quit. So there is that. Some adjustments, better coaching, and then see what happens.

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                      • CanadianBoltFan
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                        #2627
                        Originally posted by Boltdiehard View Post

                        The fumbles suck but I’ve seen Hampton rip off several chunk runs and then he just disappears. There was a drive against the Raiders where they fed him and it was a good drive that finished with a TD and probably one of our best drives of the year. Just run behind Burke and see what he can do and he is a very large human being. Do something! Fix this shit we're not this bad no way.
                        Hampton disappeared on Sunday because right after he made a good gain with physical running McDaniel yanked him off the field.

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                        • CanadianBoltFan
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                          #2628
                          Originally posted by Riverwalk View Post

                          Well written but too black and white, IMO. Like it’s all McDaniels fault for holding Herbert back.

                          I still ain’t buying those two interceptions were anyone but Herbert’s fault.

                          Nevertheless, people like simple minded narratives that it’s just this one thing.
                          It is the beat writer of the Chargers opinion but it is lining up with a lot of commentary out there.

                          Those 2 picks were definitely Herbert's fault, just bad throws, maybe even the 2 worst of his career. Herbert is playing poorly, but is is very uncharacteristic of his 6 year career. That is a valid topic.

                          This point resonates...

                          A player of Herbert's caliber does not all of a sudden forget how to play football.

                          And the title of the article is the bottom line. He came in here thinking he could change a Pro Bowl QB who garnered an MVP vote last year, and the result is 0-4.

                          McDaniel has had 8 months to work with Herbert. He has also had 4 games , a month to fix this mess...and lets be clear the mistakes, the confusion, the underformances go far beyond the QB. One, tops 2 games of struggling with a new offense maybe ok..but this coach clearly does not have a good grasp on this situation.

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