Welcome OC Mike McDaniel

[dmac_bolt]

What I have said is that Joe owns the roster decisions. If he takes a recommendation from a coach, Jim / Gro / any, and then goes and signs that player - its his decision to do it. You can think maybe coaches have more than just influence and are able to actually override his decisions. Thats fine, I don't and Jim has said they don't. But you don't have to be mean and nasty to me about it. I wasn't even talking about the Chargers and you jumped all in my shit again.

we should be friends.

[CanadianBoltFan]

What I have said is that Joe owns the roster decisions. If he takes a recommendation from a coach, Jim / Gro / any, and then goes and signs that player - its his decision to do it. You can think maybe coaches have more than just influence and are able to actually override his decisions. Thats fine, I don't and Jim has said they don't. But you don't have to be mean and nasty to me about it. I wasn't even talking about the Chargers and you jumped all in my shit again.

we should be friends.

Keep the feud going another week!

We need entertainment until the Senior Bowl when all the player move rumors heat up 😊

[dmac_bolt]

Keep the feud going another week!

We need entertainment until the Senior Bowl when all the player move rumors heat up 😊

lol, i'd rather be friends but I also do find humor in it all. I'm only disappointed it distracted from my actual question - there have been posts that McDaniel was the architect of their "speed" roster and he will demand the same here. He's said he doesn't prioritize pure speed over football excellence but some don't believe him. I don't know if its true or not about their roster construction. (set aside whether he even can come in to LAC and "demand" anything specific, I don't think he can).

I can't imagine he went into MIA as an OC elevated to first time HC and demanded the established GM trade 5 draft picks to get Tyreek, to pick just the first of their moves. I could see they collectively saw flaws in Tua (which he inherited) and surmised that surrounding him with more speed could mask some of it. But a first-time HC demanding the GM give up a 2022 first-round pick (No. 29), a 2022 second-round pick (No. 50), a 2022 fourth-round pick, a 2023 fourth-round pick, and a 2023 sixth-round pick ... that sounds more like a GM thing to me and I've seen several reports he didn't listen to the prior coach (who didn't want Tua). Then he smeared that coach as he shoved him out the door. Grier sounds like a real class act (not).

Nothing in my MIA knowledge tells me Grier was ever controlled by any HC at all. just wondering ...

[CanadianBoltFan]

lol, i'd rather be friends but I also do find humor in it all. I'm only disappointed it distracted from my actual question - there have been posts that McDaniel was the architect of their "speed" roster and he will demand the same here. He's said he doesn't prioritize pure speed over football excellence but some don't believe him. I don't know if its true or not about their roster construction. (set aside whether he even can come in to LAC and "demand" anything specific, I don't think he can).

I can't imagine he went into MIA as an OC elevated to first time HC and demanded the established GM trade 5 draft picks to get Tyreek, to pick just the first of their moves. I could see they collectively saw flaws in Tua (which he inherited) and surmised that surrounding him with more speed could mask some of it. But a first-time HC demanding the GM give up a 2022 first-round pick (No. 29), a 2022 second-round pick (No. 50), a 2022 fourth-round pick, a 2023 fourth-round pick, and a 2023 sixth-round pick ... that sounds more like a GM thing to me and I've seen several reports he didn't listen to the prior coach (who didn't want Tua). Then he smeared that coach as he shoved him out the door. Grier sounds like a real class act (not).

Nothing in my MIA knowledge tells me Grier was ever controlled by any HC at all. just wondering ...

There are varying models i suppose.

1 The traditional GM is the boss model. Ex Howie Roseman is the man in Philly. I think Jeff Lurie would get rid of Sirriani long before he would get rid of Roseman. Or John Schneider in Seattle. McDonald is a great young coach but Scheider has won SBs with 2 different coaches with 2 different rosters he built.

2 Then came the model where a super star Head Coach is hired and given lots of money and authority, so he hand picks his GM and personnel guy. Belichek

3 Then there is more of a partnership...like Les Snead and Sean McVay...both are studs at their respective jobs and i am sure they work together

I can see some thinking Harbaugh is #2. He was the high profile hire with the resume and Hortiz is not being paid 16 million like Harbaugh is. It doesn't seem like Harbaugh hand picked Hortiz but there were family ties and recomendation so i am sure Harbaugh was on board. Harbaugh is the kingpin, who has set the culture for the entire organization so I understand how some think he runs the show, and maybe he does....but to me Harbaugh is collaborative, a team player who can check his ego. It looks to me like this has evolved into a Snead and McVay like partnership.

I would also say that the early success of Hortiz has him on track to be a long term GM here. If the older Harbaugh retires i do not see a new coach coming in and handpicking his own GM while Hortiz leaves. I see Hortiz and John Spanos picking the new coach.

[wu-dai clan]

I would expect a wiser Mike MvDaniel assumes the Charger OC role. He realizes there are limitations and must make adjustments in how to design our offense.

Defenses have evolved to solve the wide zone issues. Indeed, protection plans can now be dictated.

We may look for less expensive ways to solve IOL, ie Fortner + two mid draftees. I like improving at TE, and this draft will be accomodating there.

[Heatmiser]

I miss the days when everyone just complained about John Spanos and accused him of everything that was bothering them.

[dmac_bolt]

I miss the days when everyone just complained about John Spanos and accused him of everything that was bothering them.

that era never worked for me. too easy, convenient, cliche. The "Spanos don't want to win" angle had the additional flaw of being untrue.

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

that era never worked for me. too easy, convenient, cliche. The "Spanos don't want to win" angle had the additional flaw of being untrue.

And then there was the trope about the Spanos family refusing to spend money on the team, despite copious evidence to the contrary.

The Spanoses may have spent the money poorly (or on different free agents than disgruntled fans were hoping for) but they spent plenty of money on the team.

[Topcat]

we should be friends.

[Critty]

that era never worked for me. too easy, convenient, cliche. The "Spanos don't want to win" angle had the additional flaw of being untrue.

The Telesco era was a waste of two very good QBs. Never could get the defense to a top level. Never could get the special teams to a top level. Never could figure out the OL. Never could figure out the HC position.So the entire team was all on the shoulders of the franchise QB.
How he got to remain through 3 HC hires baffles me.

[dmac_bolt]

The Telesco era was a waste of two very good QBs. Never could get the defense to a top level. Never could get the special teams to a top level. Never could figure out the OL. Never could figure out the HC position.So the entire team was all on the shoulders of the franchise QB.
How he got to remain through 3 HC hires baffles me.

My theory of why GMs survive shit performance so much longer than HCs. While the HC is in the film room, and workout rooms, and trainers room, and practice fields, and doing the 18 hrs a day in just those places every day; the GM is cozying up to the Owner talking business and league bullshit and selling him bullshit stories on the regular day after day after day that we’re “this” close. Owners believe them for a long time and buy into the line that if we change the HC, we’ll turn that corner.

Lots of GMs survive 3 coaches. Grier almost got through #3, fired just before McDaniel was. Idunno … we all got theories around here - whats yours?

[Boltjolt]

What organization says here’s your employees without any “say in” before they are hired? You might take over a management role where you didn’t have any say in who the existing staff is but it’s a dysfunctional disaster if they don’t have you review and approve every hire you personally have to manage from then on. Sure, Joe and the scouts gather lists for the coach to review but Harbaugh and McDaniel ultimately have the thumbs up or down gesture as certain as Emperor Commodus waved it at Maximus.

And that's what I said. There are discussions but Hortiz had the final word.
When it comes to siging a player like Deculus or Oweh during the season, there is a discussion ...Hortiz decides and executes it.
Harbaugh is quirky but I take his word that Joe is that guy. Harbaugh has a team to coach.
However this is off-season time and there are likely more discussions than usual.
I don't think this is unorthodox.