Welcome C Tyler Biadasz

[Caslon]

Getting cut players who are likely going to be starters doesn’t excite me. Granted, the pickings aren’t great. Waiting for big money to be thrown around.

[Steve]

Getting cut players who are likely going to be starters doesn’t excite me. Granted, the pickings aren’t great. Waiting for big money to be thrown around.

How often does that actual get a good player? It may land a big name, but when does that guy actually play well.

[Caslon]

How often does that actual get a good player? It may land a big name, but when does that guy actually play well.

I’ll take it over acquiring cut players for key positions and designating them as likely starters. It also depends on the GM’s choices, which have seen some duds. Luck, as always, naturally plays a part. That Lunderbaum payout was outrageous though.

[Xenos]

Going to make myself feel better about the IOL with these Biadasz highlights 😅

[NoMoreChillies]

those combo blocks with the guard are nasty

[La Costa Boy]

How often does that actual get a good player? It may land a big name, but when does that guy actually play well.

Cough....cough.....Becton.....coughcoughcough..... ....

[Steve]

The important part of this article is in the 2013-2022 period the author looked at he ranked (subjectively) a success level and the percentages of signings

0 (disaster) - 9.4%
1 (very disappointing) - 18.6%
2 (mildly disappointing - 30.2%
3 (average) - 25%
4 (exceeding expectation) -12.4%
5 (superstar) - 0.6%

averages by position were in between less than 2, to about 2.5 (not even average)

To summarize his results - 58.2% were a disappointment, with a further 25% being just average.

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The top 50 FA (done yearly) has about a 40% success rate. Generally guys in the lower half of the top 50 are more likely and more successful on average. Older players are generally less successful on average as well.

[dmac_bolt]

The important part of this article is in the 2013-2022 period the author looked at he ranked (subjectively) a success level and the percentages of signings

0 (disaster) - 9.4%
1 (very disappointing) - 18.6%
2 (mildly disappointing - 30.2%
3 (average) - 25%
4 (exceeding expectation) -12.4%
5 (superstar) - 0.6%

averages by position were in between less than 2, to about 2.5 (not even average)

To summarize his results - 58.2% were a disappointment, with a further 25% being just average.

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The top 50 FA (done yearly) has about a 40% success rate. Generally guys in the lower half of the top 50 are more likely and more successful on average. Older players are generally less successful on average as well.

The author humored me with this line. I assume he meant to say the exact opposite of "completely arbitrary". he deserved a better editor after doing all of that work

In the end, I trusted that the best way to judge these deals was to look back on a case-by-case basis, evaluate them in their individual context and give them a (completely arbitrary) score, running from 0 to 6.

[DerwinBosa]

The important part of this article is in the 2013-2022 period the author looked at he ranked (subjectively) a success level and the percentages of signings

0 (disaster) - 9.4%
1 (very disappointing) - 18.6%
2 (mildly disappointing - 30.2%
3 (average) - 25%
4 (exceeding expectation) -12.4%
5 (superstar) - 0.6%

averages by position were in between less than 2, to about 2.5 (not even average)

To summarize his results - 58.2% were a disappointment, with a further 25% being just average.

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The top 50 FA (done yearly) has about a 40% success rate. Generally guys in the lower half of the top 50 are more likely and more successful on average. Older players are generally less successful on average as well.

It's one thing to get excited about a signing such as Saquon Barkley, a top five running back in the prime of his career, or Josh Jacobs. They, while flawed because of injury histories, showed that they could play at an elite level and were still young enough to do so for at least a few more years.

As far as I'm concerned, giving your general manager a failing grade for the offseason because he didn't sign the guys you wanted based off of PFF grades, such as David Edwards and Elgton Jenkins, is ridiculous.

[sonorajim]

It's one thing to get excited about a signing such as Saquon Barkley, a top five running back in the prime of his career, or Josh Jacobs. They, while flawed because of injury histories, showed that they could play at an elite level and were still young enough to do so for at least a few more years.

As far as I'm concerned, giving your general manager a failing grade for the offseason because he didn't sign the guys you wanted based off of PFF grades, such as David Edwards and Elgton Jenkins, is ridiculous.

I am friggin excited over signing C Tyler Biadasz, A top 10 vet starter at C should solve a lot of our IOL misbehavior.

[Steve]

The author humored me with this line. I assume he meant to say the exact opposite of "completely arbitrary". he deserved a better editor after doing all of that work

I think he meant subjective.

He is using his own subjective grading to determine if a player is "good" or not. No matter how you do it, just because there is no arbitrary set of criteria that would work for every situation, so while I am sure he prefers a more objective set of rules to grade (cut and dry) everyone on, there is no single set that would work.

A lot of people who do analytics get all apologetic when this happens. They are trying to be objective and when they do something that is not, they feel like they have failed somehow. Having worked for most of my professional career doing "analytics" (long before it was called that), you realize that you do the best you can and don't worry about it too much. I think Barnwell's article is fine, it makes a some important generalizations.


Perfection is the enemy of good enough. -not saying you should ever half-ass things, but there is a point where you just cause paralysis or overthink everything.

[Steve]

I am friggin excited over signing C Tyler Biadasz, A top 10 vet starter at C should solve a lot of our IOL misbehavior.

I am too.

By himself, he only fixes one spot. But that is how it starts. One spot at a time. And using FA at the other spots, it may mean we need 4, 5, 6, 7 ... guys total before the spots get filled. We have signed 4 players so far (Tyler Biadasz, Cole Strange, Penning, the new guy from the Lions, you can probably add in Taylor from last year since he is an OG... so there are more to go.

We are on our way. Just still have a ways to go