Oh Boy...I'm gonna get nailed for this one.

[Den60]

If your bitching about letting Phillips go early letting Rivers go at 31 is a double stamdatd of enence proportions!


R

I believe that Q is talking not about letting the guy go but trading value for more value. I know it seems to be a subtle difference but it is there if you look for it. I'd throw Gates back into this discussion as well. The way he is playing you don't think a contender wouldn't consider a 2nd round pick for him? Hell, we may as well give Green more reps and see how he responds. Maybe we can even bring in a blocking TE to help us run the ball in the process.

[longhorn]

this year all we did was run in place by replacing Vasquez with Fluker.

Fluker already is better than Vasquez...He has already shown more meanness than any lineman we've had since Deilman...I think he'll be a fixture on the line for 10 years...

[Beerman]

Funny, these guys you call the core played well under Norv. I guess we should just blame McCoy for undeveloping them, eh? Lets not blame our lack of talent on TT's personnel decisions either.

Why would I blame McCoy for things that are under the direction of Pagano?

Assuming that Telesco was going to fix the entire roster in one offseason is just foolish. I still agree with his decision to go young. Clearly there have been growing pains, but we needed to know what we had with all the young players on the roster. I think injuries more than anything have been the issue on defense. We didn't have the depth (or the draft picks to acquire it) to withstand the considerable losses we've suffered on a weekly basis so far.

[Beerman]

Fluker already is better than Vasquez...He has already shown more meanness than any lineman we've had since Deilman...I think he'll be a fixture on the line for 10 years...

:cheers:

[Stinky Wizzleteats+]

I believe that Q is talking not about letting the guy go but trading value for more value. I know it seems to be a subtle difference but it is there if you look for it. I'd throw Gates back into this discussion as well. The way he is playing you don't think a contender wouldn't consider a 2nd round pick for him? Hell, we may as well give Green more reps and see how he responds. Maybe we can even bring in a blocking TE to help us run the ball in the process.

If you trade Rivers for all any teams picks next year but you end up with the next Tim Couch or David Car, or Ryan Leaf as your QB for the next four years did you realy get any better???

[Bearded14YourPleasure]

Well, I keep looking at our roster a year or two from now. People say we are rebuilding but I look and ask, where? We didn't get all that much younger and so far only one of our recent draft picks has come close to showing that he will be a long term starter. I don't think we are done with the wrecking ball yet much less starting with a new foundation. I do believe you do most of the good work via the draft but we are looking at needed to replace anywhere from 12-15 key people by 2017. Our offense, when you look at it, ain't that young. You're not going to get a quick fix to our roster issues without delving heavily in FA. And you can see how that has worked for teams like Philly and Washington. Hell, I am not sold that Denver will get to the promised land either.

We were the oldest team in the NFL last year how quickly do you expect us to become significantly older? We drop older vets that have had their productivity drop over recent seasons, replacing them with younger players and you call that a stupid move on TTs part. I'm confused as to wether you think getting younger is the right move or continuing with mediocrity is.

5 games into the season and only 1 draft pick has shown he can be productive? I assume you are talking about Fluker but I think most would agree KA has shown talent already, impressive since he hasn't really had a role until M80 went down, and will play a role in the future. Teo has only played in 2 games due to injury so it's a relatively small sample size, even compared to the other rookies, but there is definitely reason to hope. Our other three draft picks are a 3rd string QB, an IRed CB (I'm sure it's TTs fault for drafting someone that would ever get hurt), and an OLB that everyone knew would be a project as soon as he was drafted.

You say the offense isn't young but our only current starters over 30 are Rivers, Gates, and Hardwick. Floyd is as well, but I think it's fair to say that WR production hasn't suffered significantly since he has been out. Hardwick probably only has one more season in him, and will definitely need to be replaced sooner rather then later. Who knows how long Gates has left, but with Green progressing I don't see TE as a glaring hole come Gates' retirement. Rivers can play at least another 4 years baring significant injury. Do we have holes on offense? Sure, but I don't see age being the cause of them.

Again, we have completely overhauled our entire roster before in only a few years almost completely in the draft. I don't see why we couldn't do it again. You even point out that spending lots of money in FA hasn't worked for any team in recent history, right after you say that's exactly what we need to do to become relevant again. So what do you think we should do? Other then fire TT and MM for not turning this team into the '85 Bears in a single off season.

[Den60]

Fluker already is better than Vasquez...He has already shown more meanness than any lineman we've had since Deilman...I think he'll be a fixture on the line for 10 years...

Another one missing the point. If we find someone "meaner" than Fluker does that mean we get rid of Fluker? You do realize that an O-line is made up of 5 players, right?

[Boltjolt]

That's Fleet's territory, but Teddy Bridgewater's name has been bandied about. Fleet has a couple more names he could supply, I'm sure.

The plan would be to keep the talent we have (all 8 of them ) and rebuild around that group, plus the new draftees. That would include a QB, of course.

A team like the Texans that's close - and whose window is closing - might actually present the best deal. Stockpile draft picks if you're not going to supplement with quality FAs.

Yes there are a few more names out there at QB but some of them are only sophomores and Bridgewater is only junior and he isnt a lock to declare though he is a lot more likely than the others. Im not sure WHEN you are proposing to trade Rivers but if it is during this season , that could be really dangerous and a HUGE gamble by us. Just a bad idea imo.

Not to mention think Rivers easily has 5-6 good years left. Elway won a SB at 38.

[Den60]

Why would I blame McCoy for things that are under the direction of Pagano?

Assuming that Telesco was going to fix the entire roster in one offseason is just foolish. I still agree with his decision to go young. Clearly there have been growing pains, but we needed to know what we had with all the young players on the roster. I think injuries more than anything have been the issue on defense. We didn't have the depth (or the draft picks to acquire it) to withstand the considerable losses we've suffered on a weekly basis so far.

Norv was constantly blamed for not developing players on the roster regardless of whether they were on offense or defense.

[TTK]

How many teams have traded away a franchise quarterback just for the sake of rebuilding?

[Beerman]

Norv was constantly blamed for not developing players on the roster regardless of whether they were on offense or defense.

I don't give a shit about Norv. He's gone. It's over. I'm not interested in talking about anything from that era anymore. I stated my opinion about the current front office and coaching staff.

[blahblahblah]

Rivers has 5-8 years left. An NFL rebuild takes 2-3 years.

If in 4 years we're sitting on an unsuccessful this is a relevant question.