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This is a fun exercise. When grading, I suggest one also consider where in the draft a player was selected. I have a hard time giving Tourek Williams a D. He is a 6th round pick. Just making the team is successful for a player taken that late. No one should expect him to be starting and leading the team in pressures. Or is it sacks?
TGLike, how am I a traitor? Your team are traitors.Comment
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We aren't even at the halfway point in the season, so this can't be serious discussion about these draft picks yet but it is interesting. We can see how the grades may change throughout the year and into next year...
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As I stated, my marks were the ones I would assign if I were forced issue grades at this point, which I agree is premature.Originally posted by Boltjolt View Post
As for my additional comments about the context in which each player was selected, that is a grading of the drafting and not solely a grading of the player. It does make a difference that we gave up our 2nd and 4th to get Te'o versus only giving up our 2nd to get him. In terms of how well we drafted, it does matter that there was a player at a position of huge gaping hole need (NT) that was rated very highly when we chose Allen, who was also highly rated, but not at a position of huge need at the time we drafted. Also, the draft class was deep in RBs, so why not give one a look in the 6th or 7th round? We need a co-#1 RB more than we need a #3 QB. Similarly, we could have gone with a defensive lineman, where we were very weak. And that matters when grading the draft and not just the player.
I definitely do not think it is going beyond the scope of the thread as the thread itself speaks of grading the draft, which involves the player taken, but also a look at which players we could have taken.Last edited by Yubaking; 10-10-2013, 11:39 AM.Comment
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If I were going to rip TT, then why did I acknowledge that Fluker, Allen and Sorenson were all above average players for where in the draft they were taken. I definitely have a problem with your grading process if you fail to account for the fact that it took two picks to get Te'o regardless of how you grade Te'o as a player. I would drop Allen by a full grade because Telesco failed to draft Jenkins, which was a huge mistake. I only suggested that minor, one-third of a grade adjustments be made for T. Williams and Sorenson based upon our failure to draft at positions of depth in the draft or of need for our team in those rounds. I am not really sure how you can ignore the fact that we needed DL depth more than we needed a #3 QB. It as good that Telesco drafted talent, but not as good in light of our overall lack of depth on the defensive side of the ball and at RB.Originally posted by TTK View PostComment
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:killme:As for my additional comments about the context in which each player was selected, that is a grading of the drafting and not solely a grading of the player. It does make a difference that we gave up our 2nd and 4th to get Te'o versus only giving up our 2nd to get him. In terms of how well we drafted, it does matter that there was a player at a position of huge gaping hole need (NT) that was rated very highly when we chose Allen, who was also highly rated, but not at a position of huge need at the time we drafted. Also, the draft class was deep in RBs, so why not give one a look in the 6th or 7th round? We need a co-#1 RB more than we need a #3 QB. Similarly, we could have gone with a defensive lineman, where we were very weak. And that matters when grading the draft and not just the player.Comment
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WR was not a position of need, because, as you are well aware, DX and Floyd and Brown have consistently played full seasons plus the team already had Richard Goodman. Makes all the sense in the world to count on those guys. Put the gun down, slowly.Originally posted by ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR View PostComment
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Personally, haven't watched much of the Saints, and zero on Defense. Have you or are you just looking at yards allowed again? Is Jenkins really playing that well? Not looking for a diatribe on the defensive ranking of the Saints, but how specifically Jenkins is playing. Allen, for his part, is playing well at a position of need.Originally posted by Yubaking View PostComment
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I don't believe in assigning grades to rookie this early in their rookie season but if I did I would say I didn't and then give out grades anyways. I also don't believe in making a draft grade thread about TT but if I was going to I would make sure I mentioned the players he drafted didn't fill the proper positions of needs, were too slow and that he gave up too much for one of them.
But I'm not going to give out grades or talk about TT.1) Jason Verrett (CB) TCU
2) Demarcus Lawrence (OLB) Boise St
3) Will Sutton (DT) Arizona St
4) Jarvis Landry (WR) LSU
5) John Urschel (OC) Penn St
6) Shamar Stephen (DT) UConn
7) Brock Coyle (ILB) MontanaComment
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to SFWfromESPN again.
This is my favorite post ever.Comment
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How much did you dock him for being slower than Christmas?Originally posted by Yubaking View PostComment
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