Avoided the board for a week

[Wheels]

Maybe we can sticky a thread titled "Mea Culpa".

[Mister Hoarse]

I was thinking something similar. That said, of this year's crop, Fluker and Allen would be solid starters with almost any team, and Teo has shown flashes and is progressing such that I believe he could also soon be considered a solid starter on a lot of teams. And I believe, based on the limited sample size we have, that Williams would be our nickle back if he hadn't got injured. (Not to mention the other Williams and Sorensen look like solid depth.) That's a pretty damned good first draft, IMO.

Yep. That could be 4 starters from this draft if you consider the NCB as one.
Teo still doesn't look like a long term fix, though. Lacks the athleticism, IMO.

[Mister Hoarse]

The fact that all you care about is beating the comical Raiders devalues your objectivity on the subject. Total BS that McCoy was "hired to beat the Raiders", as if implying that was the primary reason. He was hired to beat all his opponents. If anything - and I really don't think this is true, either - a stronger case can be made that he was hired to beat the BRONCOS. Not the lowly Raiders.

Agree with your point about the Broncos, even if you don't really think it's true. :qsmokey:
However, our 2 worst efforts so far were the Division games and that just isn't gonna cut it.

[BlazingBolt]

I don't think the board really had a meltdown over this loss actually.

I think most expected to lose is probably why. Also it's not one of those losses where we pulled defeat from the jaws of victory that we are so good at.

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

3 losses caused by coaching stupidity makes a bad head coach in my evaluation.

You're sure the only reason we lost those games was "coaching stupidity?"

[homeless simpson]

what exactly constitutes as a "starter" or a draft that yields a "starter"? this is minus the qualifier of them being a good starter or not, or if they started their rookie year because there's too many other factors in them starting or not starting their rookie year. Out of 22 starting spots (not counting 3rd wr, ST, NB...or even guys who are on IR), 12 are filled with guys from the previous drafts.

2013
Fluker
Teo
KA , starter, but was not even tabbed originally as a starter over Brown even when we lost Floyd/DX
Steve Williams - if a player that went on IR is counted as a would be starter, then it would be fair to consider players from previous drafts that went on IR as would be or penciled in as starters.
Tourek - he's starting by necessity.

2012
Ingram - as with Steve Williams above, he's a starter or penciled in as a starter.
Kendall Reyes
Troutman

2011
Liuget
Gilchrist
Vincent Brown - was penciled in as the starter last year (see Steve Williams explanation above)
Shareece Wright

2010
Mathews
Butler
Cam

2009
English - was penciled in as a starter but was always injured
Vasquez

2008
Cason
Hester

2007
Weddle
Chandler - starter for the bills

2006
Cromartie
McNeill
Clary

2005
Merriman
Castillo
VJ
Sproles - he's in the woodhead category of not being technically a starter but plays a lot

2004
Rivers
Igor
Nate
Hardwick
Phillips
Turner - starter for Falcons
Olivea

2003
Sammy Davis - penciled in as a starter
Florence - starting NB/CB
Kiel
Scifres

[BlazingBolt]

You're sure the only reason we lost those games was "coaching stupidity?"

Does it really matter? Whether or not we may have lost those games anyway does not change whether or not those coaching moves were stupid or not.

Since we lost all 3 we can go ahead and say they contributed to those losses.

[SDFan]

what exactly constitutes as a "starter" or a draft that yields a "starter"? this is minus the qualifier of them being a good starter or not, or if they started their rookie year because there's too many other factors in them starting or not starting their rookie year. Out of 22 starting spots (not counting 3rd wr, ST, NB...or even guys who are on IR), 12 are filled with guys from the previous drafts.

2013
Fluker
Teo
KA , starter, but was not even tabbed originally as a starter over Brown even when we lost Floyd/DX
Steve Williams - if a player that went on IR is counted as a would be starter, then it would be fair to consider players from previous drafts that went on IR as would be or penciled in as starters.
Tourek - he's starting by necessity.

2012
Ingram - as with Steve Williams above, he's a starter or penciled in as a starter.
Kendall Reyes
Troutman

2011
Liuget
Gilchrist
Vincent Brown - was penciled in as the starter last year (see Steve Williams explanation above)
Shareece Wright

2010
Mathews
Butler
Cam

2009
English - was penciled in as a starter but was always injured
Vasquez

2008
Cason
Hester

2007
Weddle
Chandler - starter for the bills

2006
Cromartie
McNeill
Clary

2005
Merriman
Castillo
VJ
Sproles - he's in the woodhead category of not being technically a starter but plays a lot

2004
Rivers
Igor
Nate
Hardwick
Phillips
Turner - starter for Falcons
Olivea

2003
Sammy Davis - penciled in as a starter
Florence - starting NB/CB
Kiel
Scifres

I believe AJ drafted Ellison, Stuckey, Mouton and Taylor with the intention of them being starters too, and the last 2 went on IR.

[thelightningwill]

There were backbreaking dropped balls in both the Texans and Titans games that contributed to the losses. That is player execution and not playcalling. The Redskins game is on the playcalling however, but in the end it is player execution that will win or lose the game. The defense completely folded in overtime, allowing them to march down the field for a TD. We would get the ball back for a chance to score if the Redskins were forced to a FG.

So you're saying coaching doesn't matter. We might as well fire McCoy and hire somebody who will accept minimum wage.

[homeless simpson]

There were dropped balls that contributed to our losses, just as there were dropped balls by the opposing teams that contributed to our wins.