Teo is improving?

[Den60]

Clearly you have changed your mind, I'm just pointing out that about a year ago you were high on him. Hence my comment.

And I have told you I wasn't, even pointed out the context in which I once, and only once, where I mentioned Te'o. You would do better if you would say I was pushing for Jarvis Jones. You might even find a few on here that would remember that I wanted a "bookend" for Ingram. ILB was never on my radar. I really don't like it when I get attributed to things I did not say. I do admit when I am wrong, though that is a rare occurrence. Would you like it if I decided to say that on the old board you said you'd like to see Peyton's daughter raped by Raider fans? No proof you didn't say that, eh?

Oh, though I rarely talk about specific players when it comes to the draft (I talk positions) I will admit to advocating the drafting of L. Green both prior to the draft and when he was still there in the 4th. Even though he didn't do much hos rookie year I still said that he was a guy who could develop into a replacement for Gates.

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

from the 2013 draft class:
inside linebackers taken before and after Teo:

Alec Ogletree STL 1st rd
Kevin Minter AZ
Kiko Alonso BUF
Jon Bostic CHI
Arthur Brown BAL



2nd round ilbs from previous years:
Bobby Wagner SEA
Sean Lee DAL
Brandon Spikes NE
James laurinaitis STL
Paul Posluzny BUF
David Harris NYJ
Demeco Ryans HOU

Why are you comparing him to guys taken ahead of him in either case?

Vincent Brown just isn't as good as Calvin Johnson! What a failure!

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

It shouldn't be, I have been consistent on that point ever since it looked like he would be available on draft day. For a team with a lot of holes we could have stayed put, drafted Warford (hell, even traded back to do that) and still had our 4th round pick.

What????? You would have picked ANOTHER offensive player???? But what about the defense!!!?!?!?!?!

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

I have no recollection of Den wanting Teo at any point.

That's because you weren't privvy to the late night phone calls...

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

. I do admit when I am wrong, though that is a rare occurrence.

Not really.

[richpjr]

And I have told you I wasn't, even pointed out the context in which I once, and only once, where I mentioned Te'o. You would do better if you would say I was pushing for Jarvis Jones. You might even find a few on here that would remember that I wanted a "bookend" for Ingram. ILB was never on my radar. I really don't like it when I get attributed to things I did not say. I do admit when I am wrong, though that is a rare occurrence. Would you like it if I decided to say that on the old board you said you'd like to see Peyton's daughter raped by Raider fans? No proof you didn't say that, eh?

The difference is that you actually did make a comment about how high you were on Te'o and I never said anything about Manning and his daughter. But you knew that.

[Formula 21]

I still like te'o and think he'll be a decent ilb for us. And he had an ok game today imo.

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

He had some good moments. But go back and watch some of the runs and he's getting thrown around by the Cincy blockers. But hey, so was Butler.

[richpjr]

He had some good moments. But go back and watch some of the runs and he's getting thrown around by the Cincy blockers. But hey, so was Butler.

Our entire front 7 was getting thrown around. At the end of the first quarter I happened to be looking on the field at Pagano with my binoculars and he was reaming Reyes pretty badly as the were walking towards the other end of the field. I'm talking about he was in his face for about 40 yards before Reyes turned towards the sidelines and walked away.

[blahblahblah]

Our entire front 7 was getting thrown around. At the end of the first quarter I happened to be looking on the field at Pagano with my binoculars and he was reaming Reyes pretty badly as the were walking towards the other end of the field. I'm talking about he was in his face for about 40 yards before Reyes turned towards the sidelines and walked away.

Considering how gawd awful Reyes is 40 yards seems light.

[homeless simpson]

Why are you comparing him to guys taken ahead of him in either case?

the question was which ILB was better in their rookie year. I didn't compare him to guys taken ahead of him, there was only one inside linebacker drafted in the first round, Teo was the 2nd ILB taken in the draft. I merely listed all the ILBs drafted in 2013 so people can do their own comparisons of who was doing better in their rookie year. much like how Fluker gets compared to guys drafted before or after him

I listed other ILBs from previous drafts taken in the 2nd round that had started their rookie years just for comparison, because at the time of my post that was what was being discussed how he's doing as a rookie ILB.

do you have a problem with my post or answer to what's being discussed?

[ArtistFormerlyKnownAsBKR]

Our entire front 7 was getting thrown around. At the end of the first quarter I happened to be looking on the field at Pagano with my binoculars and he was reaming Reyes pretty badly as the were walking towards the other end of the field. I'm talking about he was in his face for about 40 yards before Reyes turned towards the sidelines and walked away.

I agree with your basic point. But the D is struggling with the loss of so many key players that I think it is very hard to evaluate any one individual player, actually. The unit is very interdependent. A DT who can play in this league would be a huge improvement, ostensibly helping Te'o and Butler. But how do you evaluate Wright, Cox and Marshall when there's next to no push with Ingram/Freeney out? How do you evaluate Reyes and Liuget without a NT or knowing they have JJ and Ingram behind them? Hell, where was Keiser today? I just think this unit is in over its head with so many key holes and a general lack of depth. But man, the whole crew looks really disorganized. And thats on Pagano. I see no evidence of a defensive philosophy whatsoever.