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Originally posted by Fleet View PostWasnt long ago Hayward was talked about as a top 3 CB. King, Hayward. Maybe Tillery and NASA. I am truly excited to see this D play. Im really digging the athleticsm and speed of our young players. Game speed.
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Originally posted by FoutsFan View Post
Hayward is still a top CB. Look at the rankings, he just had an off year with ints but there is more to CB than just ints (although they help a lot).
And i had no idea that there was more to CB than INTs. lol
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Originally posted by FoutsFan View Post
Hayward is still a top CB. Look at the rankings, he just had an off year with ints but there is more to CB than just ints (although they help a lot).
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Originally posted by Panamamike View Post
I question this. His speed is slipping. He did not have a very good year last year. He got burned more than the previous 2 years combined. He needs to be replaced after this year IMO.
Part of the idea with the cover 6 was to put James in position to make plays, but we had to keep Addae from having to cover sideline to sideline, since he doesn't have the range or the instincts. With Watkins, Jenkins and Adderley, we have 3 S with a lot more range, so we can afford to expand James role. And now that he knows how to prepare and what being an NFL player is, they can expand what he is asked to do.
Another part of the problem since Gus has taken over was the "other" CB opposite Hayward. 2 years ago, Trevor Williams started off OK, then really played well the last 2/3 of the season. Last year he struggled with injuries and went on IR, opening up the spot for Michael Davis, who struggled some, before finishing off the season well. However, if you look at what they were asked to do, both were used almost exclusively in zone coverage. Now that they are developing rapidly, will one of them (or both), be able to expand their game so we can start to play more man coverage?
Playing zone D has helped put a lot of help around them. Williams and Davis, along with all our S, and many of our LB, are pretty good at getting depth, reading the route and then breaking on the ball.
Hayward is a pretty good coverage guy in man off coverage (man coverage with a big cushion) or zone defense. He is best at reading routes and reacting to the ball in the air. He is not a big physical press CB who redirects the WR, and he is not an elite speed guy who can overcome any mistakes. That doesn't make him a bad or even declining player, just he has some limitations. He is a lot like Josh Norman, who is also somewhat limited. But if you ask them to play to their strength, both are damn good players.
So, are we going to stay an almost strictly zone team, or will we start to mix in a lot of other coverages? A lot will depend on how they do in preseason. Historically, the 1980's 49ers D/Seattle Pete Carroll defense that we play has used either coverage. The 49er played their scheme with Deon Sanders and played a lot of man coverage. Other seasons, with less talented CB, they played a lot more zone defense. You can play defense out of both coverages, so it will mostly come down to what the personnel does best.
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Originally posted by Fleet View Post
I havnt checked out the rankings etc....and he would have really benefitted from a safety who had his back over top...it just seemed like he gave up more catches than usual last year. He looked off at times last year. I think interior pass rush will help Bosa and Ingram. And there is no better help to a secondary than pass rush. He was the top rated CB as far as breakups in 2017. I remember yelling at the TV the size of the cushion he was giving WRs. I think Steve has gone over Haywards last year production a little bit as well.
And i had no idea that there was more to CB than INTs. lol
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Originally posted by Topcat View Post
Hayward didn't get much help from Addae at all...though it's not Addae's fault he was moved out of the box to single high...hopefully Adderley shores up that spot...
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Originally posted by Topcat View Post
Hayward didn't get much help from Addae at all...though it's not Addae's fault he was moved out of the box to single high...hopefully Adderley shores up that spot...
And i absolutely think Hayward has gas in the tank.
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