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  • Steve
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    #13
    There is a limit to how many downs any person can play, and still have any explosion left in their legs. No 300+ lb guy is going to have anything left in his legs in the 4th qtr, unless you rotate them during the 1st 3 qtrs. You can't be explosive and have the sort of endurance to play that many downs, at lest if you want to be any good. So, we have to find some depth. I am not sure we are building for depth yet, but that is because we don't have much front end talent. Time will tell if we intend to do it later.

    As far as when Reyes and Liuget should be playing, it is obvious they should be on the field the most during pass rush line. If they make a big play in the base D vs the run, it is nice, but probably won't have that much impact on the game. But if the DL can get sacks, pressure on passing downs, then that has a real impact on the outcome. I really don't care if Liuget and Reyes start, those downs are not as important as playing on the rush line. Lots of players can be effective run down guys Just get low and take on blocks. But how many 34 DL can rush the passer as well as Liuget and Reyes? If your name is not JJ Watt, you are not as good. IN any case, Reyes needs to improve some as a run down player. He got better, but still needs to use his hands to shed and stay low.

    As far as the rookies go, not many players can play NT as a rookie. You get double teamed a lot, and most rookies technique is not good enough to stack against 2 NFL caliber OL and hold your ground, let alone split the block. If they can't, then they get pushed back into the LB, and teams can run up our gut. The good thing is that both Jerideau and Geathers have played other DL positions. And the techniques are very similar, so that starting them at DE is not unreasonable. It would build their skills nicely even if we eventually plan to play them at NT.

    Watching some You Tubes of both, they are a lot like typical college DL. They tend to stand up and look for the ball, like most college players do. Both have NFL physical ability, but plenty of rookies have ability & don't make it. It will be how quickly that they develop their technique and learn to stay low and use their hands. The only thing I think that we should consider doing with either or both, then DON'T play them in preseason. You lose the chance to get them experience, but you prevent any other team from seeing them in action. Of course, it is still a gamble, since at least Gaithers is someone on a lot of teams wish lists, because of his NFL bloodlines.

    As far as the snap counts go, here is a link (http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts). It is pretty obvious that Cam and Garay spent a fair amount of time playing DE, as well as NT. All our NT together only played 80% of the time, all of our DE played (cumulative) 161% (for 2 spots, and we always play 2), so we play a true 3 man line less than 40% of the time (somewhat less, since we play a 4 man line in goalline).

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    • MakoShark
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      #14
      Originally posted by Beerman View Post
      Pagano doesn't rotate them as much as people think. He just takes them out for the nickel aligment. More than enough time to get a breather if needed. Our NT's last season played about 50% of snaps in a game.

      Reyes and Liuget are the guys that need to be ironman.
      Was that philosophy or lack of players due to injuries? We had 'help wanted' ads on craigslist for DT's last year. 3rd and shorts keeps the NT on the field, so you can' t assume the NT will get a breather.
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      • Beerman
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        #15
        I expect Wynn to be that 4th rotating guy this year.

        Rough % breakdown of snaps ending up like this

        Liuget - 70%
        Reyes - 70%
        Thomas - 55%
        Wynn - 35%

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        • Beerman
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          #16
          Originally posted by MakoShark View Post
          Was that philosophy or lack of players due to injuries? We had 'help wanted' ads on craigslist for DT's last year. 3rd and shorts keeps the NT on the field, so you can' t assume the NT will get a breather.
          I assume it was by design because when Franklin was healthy they were keeping Garay inactive. So we were still using a 4 man rotation. We did use a 5 man rotation earlier in the season when Martin was healthy and him and Reyes were splitting snaps.

          It could have been because of health or it could have been because he wanted more snaps for Reyes.

          Liuget consistently on a weekly basis was getting about 65-70% of the snaps. If he does the same with Reyes this year, there's really not much left to go around with our NT only playing 50-55% of the snaps.

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          • Beerman
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            #17
            Geathers killing it this preseason. Not surprising that it's mirroring his practice play. Hopefully this translates to the regular season.

            PFF: Top 5 DT/NTs: Geno Atkins, Nick Fairley, Sharrif Floyd, Joe Vellano, Kwame Geathers. Remember, this is less than a 60 snap sample


            Also think it's safe to say that Jerideau lost this battle.

            Geathers being able to take significant snaps was the best case scenario. It allows us to use Cam in run downs at LDE for Reyes - they have been shifting Liuget to RDE on run downs and moving him back to the left side in pass rush situations.
            Last edited by Beerman; 08-19-2013, 04:22 PM.

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            • oneinchpunch
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              #18
              I think it's a big mistake to go into the season with either of the UDFAs as the backup NT.
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              • Beerman
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                #19
                Being an UDFA doesn't mean you can't play. In Geathers case there were some off field issues, he was stuck behind john jenkins, + he left school a year too early. If he stayed in school he's the starter for a year and is likely drafted much higher. Kid looks like a legit NT prospect.

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                • Beerman
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                  #20


                  This is really all I needed to see from Geathers to know he had potential in the NFL. He played the whole game vs. the Alabama O line and was pretty great all game. Consistently anchor'd well inside and was in the backfield often. It's pretty much the same stuff I've seen in camp and in the preseason games. I have no doubt this guy would of been a 3rd round or better pick this upcoming draft if he stayed in school.


                  DT Kwame Geathers, Georgia - 6'5, 343

                  Obviously, Geathers is an enormous man. In the video above, you see how well he played against the elite Alabama offensive line, and pretty consistently pushed Barrett Jones back into the pocket and disrupted what the Tide were trying to do. Geathers, despite being 6'5, plays with good pad level and anchors well. He keeps his eyes in the backfield while two-gapping, shedding blockers to make the tackle. I don't know if the Seahawks will like him - at 343 he might be too heavy and too slow for what they want to do, but honestly Geathers intrigues me. He carries the 343 well - he's proportioned and not just a big fat guy, in other words, and his length is unbelievable with 35 1/4" arms. He's got the Brandon Mebane prototype ba-dunk-a-dunk you like to see in a nose tackle.

                  If Seattle is looking for a tough, strong NT to back up Brandon Mebane, if Geathers is still around in the 5th or 6th rounds, he might be worth a shot.

                  Why Seattle?


                  Length, pure and simple. 6'5 with 35"+ arms, two-gapping experience with a solid anchor. He's a 3-4 type NT and that's why Seattle might be interested in him, weirdos that they are.

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                  • Boltdog
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                    #21
                    Originally posted by oneinchpunch View Post
                    I think it's a big mistake to go into the season with either of the UDFAs as the backup NT.
                    As long as coaches can set the pace for Geathers and not expose him too early to injury by playing him excessively, he should be okay. Just want to see him get some good experience this season, because he looks to have a fine future in SD. I would assume Bolts are going to be looking for at least one more vet DL during roster cutdowns in a few weeks...
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                    • Antonio's Gates
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                      #22
                      i think geathers has been the most consistent rookie so far on the team. dont know if it will translate but his size sure will.

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                      • Beerman
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                        #23
                        Assuming they sit Liuget this upcoming game, I would love to see him vs. a first team at NT and Cam at DE. I think that can be an effective run stopping line. It would allow both Reyes and Liuget to get snaps off in the run game and maximize their pass rush snaps.

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                          #24
                          Originally posted by oneinchpunch View Post
                          I think it's a big mistake to go into the season with either of the UDFAs as the backup NT.
                          why? who's out there that's better?

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