Gameday Thread Chargers vs Broncos- Derwin’s Return (Wk 13)

[richpjr]

BTW I believe Inman got put on IR and that's why he isnt on the roster.

He was released on 11/25 from IR and is a free agent.

[Guest]

So Rivers had a below average game behind a subpar oline. And you forgot the rush stats. You know the QB sneak for 1yd. That he can't execute. Oh yeah. They didn't even try. He gives you zero with his legs again today. 41.9 QBR for the game. 50 is average.

So you telling us he was below average today.
We know. We watched the game.
But that a big improvment from god awful vs Kansas City. 22.8 QBR.

Yeah Philip you lead us to another winnable game loss.

I'm sorry, but this 38 year old franchise QB is not so amazing he is beyond reproach.

And this idea we can't replace him.
We went from Brees to Rivers.
1 talented QB to another.
The last 2 QBs the Chargers picked with high rd picks. They nailed.
But yep. You Rivers homers are so confident that when he leaves the franchise will be a doormat with no QB for years.

Really. They are in last place right now.
Haven't won the AFC West in 10 years.

Your worried about what?

Oh no. Watch out Charger fans we might be in the AFC West cellar for a long time after Rivers leaves.

Somehow im not so slippery slope concerned that we fall in to an abyss. There is Charger life after Rivers. Perhaps a very good life.
Perhaps a very good Joe Burrow life if we are lucky enough to pick him up.

So freaking scared to move on from Rivers.
Sacred money makes no money.

A protected Rivers is one of the best passers in the history of the NFL. Other teams would kill for that. Who gives a rat's a$$ about a QB sneak or other asinine criteria?!

The fact that you are using ESPN's QBR (QBS) is telling. The stat is flawed and always has been. That stat famously had a Tim Tebow performance rated above a brilliant performance by Aaron Rodgers--just more useless garbage cited by you.

I am saying that his 106+ QB rating for the game (you know, the actual NFL stat, not some half baked ESPN made up garbage) says he was above average. Sorry, but when your position is so weak that you have to make up things I am not even saying to try advance your position, that shows just how weak your position is.

No QB will have great success behind this team's OL that has been without Okung and Pouncey for most of the season. The other OL players have struggled mightily.

Just to expose your anti-Rivers bias even further, why aren't you demanding that the team get rid of Ekeler? He has had a huge drop off this year in running the ball. He has gone from averaging 5.5 and 5.2 YPC to averaging just 3.7 YPC, so clearly he must go, right?! After all, there has been a drop off in his stats and that is all we need to look at because that explains everything, right?

Or could it possibly be that there is some explanation as to why Ekeler and Rivers have produced lesser stats than in other years? You know, one such as the OL is putrid and cannot pass block or run to save their lives.

You see, identifying the actual cause of a problem kind of matters when it comes to fixing the problem. The cause is obvious to most who actually pay attention to the Chargers. The fix is upgrading the OL and not getting rid of good players like Ekeler and great players like Rivers. As for us Chargers fans, my hope is that we will engage in some actual analysis and stop acting like a bunch of sheep that follow the shallow thinking of a bunch of clueless click bait seeking media buffoons that have written recently about Rivers.

[Topcat]

A protected Rivers is one of the best passers in the history of the NFL. Other teams would kill for that. Who gives a rat's a$$ about a QB sneak or other asinine criteria?!

The fact that you are using ESPN's QBR (QBS) is telling. The stat is flawed and always has been. That stat famously had a Tim Tebow performance rated above a brilliant performance by Aaron Rodgers--just more useless garbage cited by you.

I am saying that his 106+ QB rating for the game (you know, the actual NFL stat, not some half baked ESPN made up garbage) says he was above average. Sorry, but when your position is so weak that you have to make up things I am not even saying to try advance your position, that shows just how weak your position is.

No QB will have great success behind this team's OL that has been without Okung and Pouncey for most of the season. The other OL players have struggled mightily.

Just to expose your anti-Rivers bias even further, why aren't you demanding that the team get rid of Ekeler? He has had a huge drop off this year in running the ball. He has gone from averaging 5.5 and 5.2 YPC to averaging just 3.7 YPC, so clearly he must go, right?! After all, there has been a drop off in his stats and that is all we need to look at because that explains everything, right?

Or could it possibly be that there is some explanation as to why Ekeler and Rivers have produced lesser stats than in other years? You know, one such as the OL is putrid and cannot pass block or run to save their lives.

You see, identifying the actual cause of a problem kind of matters when it comes to fixing the problem. The cause is obvious to most who actually pay attention to the Chargers. The fix is upgrading the OL and not getting rid of good players like Ekeler and great players like Rivers. As for us Chargers fans, my hope is that we will engage in some actual analysis and stop acting like a bunch of sheep that follow the shallow thinking of a bunch of clueless click bait seeking media buffoons that have written recently about Rivers.

The only problem with this claim is that on many plays where the pass pro is decent, Rivers still slings the rock into coverage for picks, or makes some other unforced error...

[Lone Bolt]

A protected Rivers is one of the best passers in the history of the NFL. Other teams would kill for that. Who gives a rat's a$$ about a QB sneak or other asinine criteria?!

The fact that you are using ESPN's QBR (QBS) is telling. The stat is flawed and always has been. That stat famously had a Tim Tebow performance rated above a brilliant performance by Aaron Rodgers--just more useless garbage cited by you.

I am saying that his 106+ QB rating for the game (you know, the actual NFL stat, not some half baked ESPN made up garbage) says he was above average. Sorry, but when your position is so weak that you have to make up things I am not even saying to try advance your position, that shows just how weak your position is.

No QB will have great success behind this team's OL that has been without Okung and Pouncey for most of the season. The other OL players have struggled mightily.

Just to expose your anti-Rivers bias even further, why aren't you demanding that the team get rid of Ekeler? He has had a huge drop off this year in running the ball. He has gone from averaging 5.5 and 5.2 YPC to averaging just 3.7 YPC, so clearly he must go, right?! After all, there has been a drop off in his stats and that is all we need to look at because that explains everything, right?

Or could it possibly be that there is some explanation as to why Ekeler and Rivers have produced lesser stats than in other years? You know, one such as the OL is putrid and cannot pass block or run to save their lives.

You see, identifying the actual cause of a problem kind of matters when it comes to fixing the problem. The cause is obvious to most who actually pay attention to the Chargers. The fix is upgrading the OL and not getting rid of good players like Ekeler and great players like Rivers. As for us Chargers fans, my hope is that we will engage in some actual analysis and stop acting like a bunch of sheep that follow the shallow thinking of a bunch of clueless click bait seeking media buffoons that have written recently about Rivers.

Rivers is not above reproach, and needs to tighten his shit up....but otherwise this post is spot on.

I'm not afraid of when Rivers leaves...but I ain't throwing him out with the dish water either...

And will some of you other fans get off of Burrows? Your just setting yourselves up for disappointment...Cincy ain't selling, and they are almost certain to be in the drivers seat.

[richpjr]

I would guess that even if Cincy was willing to trade out that we would not spend the capital it would take to trade up for it. There are too many contracts expiring in the next 2 years and we will not be able to resign everyone so the draft picks will absolutely be needed to fill out the roster.

[Critty]

The line problem this year is less a talent problem and more an injury problems. And they are still better than terrible. They have played average under the circumstance. No guarantee in football the line stays healthy next year. We good land the 2 best FA o lineman and one could end up on IR and the other not available every game.
Regardless of all the excuses through the years. Bottom line business. No AFC West titles in 10 seasons. Rivers may decide to retire.

I don't understand this build up the team around a 38 years old QB, past his prime who contract is expiring.

Or the slippery slope idea that when Rivers leaves we will be hurting at the QB spot for a long time. He going leave at some point sooner than later.

Its time to make a move. A big move to get the franchise QB for the next decade of Chargers football.

[jamrock]

Rivers is not above reproach, and needs to tighten his shit up....but otherwise this post is spot on.

I'm not afraid of when Rivers leaves...but I ain't throwing him out with the dish water either...

And will some of you other fans get off of Burrows? Your just setting yourselves up for disappointment...Cincy ain't selling, and they are almost certain to be in the drivers seat.

It’s been a sad season. I don’t know what the future holds but Rivers has not looked like the same guy this year. Maybe he’s shell shocked or maybe time has caught up with him. In any case, we’ve got a lot of holes to fill. What we don’t know is what’s in his head. Does he want to come back? He’s said he wanted to play through the opening of the new stadium but that could have changed. It’s got to be a drag to have no fans in attendance and it doesn’t look like that’s gonna improve in Kroenke land.

Picking out Ekeler’s rush stats to support the OL bashing is a red herring tho. Gordon is doing fine behind the same OL since he got in shape. Averaging 5 ypc over the last few games. Is he that great or is the OL opening holes for only him?

[RobH]

The only problem with this claim is that on many plays where the pass pro is decent, Rivers still slings the rock into coverage for picks, or makes some other unforced error...

You keep posting gunk about Rivers being an interception machine, but if you take the time to look it up, you’ll see that he’s way down the all-time list. He’s had a tough year this year, but he’s not even close to being an all-time leader.

[FoutsFan]

A protected Rivers is one of the best passers in the history of the NFL. Other teams would kill for that. Who gives a rat's a$$ about a QB sneak or other asinine criteria?!

The fact that you are using ESPN's QBR (QBS) is telling. The stat is flawed and always has been. That stat famously had a Tim Tebow performance rated above a brilliant performance by Aaron Rodgers--just more useless garbage cited by you.

I am saying that his 106+ QB rating for the game (you know, the actual NFL stat, not some half baked ESPN made up garbage) says he was above average. Sorry, but when your position is so weak that you have to make up things I am not even saying to try advance your position, that shows just how weak your position is.

No QB will have great success behind this team's OL that has been without Okung and Pouncey for most of the season. The other OL players have struggled mightily.

Just to expose your anti-Rivers bias even further, why aren't you demanding that the team get rid of Ekeler? He has had a huge drop off this year in running the ball. He has gone from averaging 5.5 and 5.2 YPC to averaging just 3.7 YPC, so clearly he must go, right?! After all, there has been a drop off in his stats and that is all we need to look at because that explains everything, right?

Or could it possibly be that there is some explanation as to why Ekeler and Rivers have produced lesser stats than in other years? You know, one such as the OL is putrid and cannot pass block or run to save their lives.

You see, identifying the actual cause of a problem kind of matters when it comes to fixing the problem. The cause is obvious to most who actually pay attention to the Chargers. The fix is upgrading the OL and not getting rid of good players like Ekeler and great players like Rivers. As for us Chargers fans, my hope is that we will engage in some actual analysis and stop acting like a bunch of sheep that follow the shallow thinking of a bunch of clueless click bait seeking media buffoons that have written recently about Rivers.

The thing with this O line is Rivers very quick release and decision making (even poor at the worst times) covers for it and makes it appear as merely below average to the ball watchers. If you watch the game you will see Rivers is getting hit on way too many pass plays, even the positive plays. You cannot go an entire season getting your QB hit all game long and think it does not have an effect on the QB. Its just plain wrong, People who let other websites and other poster think for them and pretend that the line is OK are not fooling anyone who understands football they are just fooling themselves.

[SDBORN]

The thing with this O line is Rivers very quick release and decision making (even poor at the worst times) covers for it and makes it appear as merely below average to the ball watchers. If you watch the game you will see Rivers is getting hit on way too many pass plays, even the positive plays. You cannot go an entire season getting your QB hit all game long and think it does not have an effect on the QB. Its just plain wrong, People who let other websites and other poster think for them and pretend that the line is OK are not fooling anyone who understands football they are just fooling themselves.

The problem is further compounded by the fact that Rivers can't move or buy time to save his life. Watch his body language now, you can see him conceding the sack with 1-1.5 seconds to go sometimes. He used to shuffle and try to move a lot more in the face of pressure even with a bad oline. He's not even trying to do that now.

He looks like he's given up. He looks done sadly.

[FoutsFan]

The problem is further compounded by the fact that Rivers can't move or buy time to save his life. Watch his body language now, you can see him conceding the sack with 1-1.5 seconds to go sometimes. He used to shuffle and try to move a lot more in the face of pressure even with a bad oline. He's not even trying to do that now.

He looks like he's given up. He looks done sadly.

I have seen that all too often this year. Feeney yells over his shoulder as the tackle runs past him like he was standing still (quite often he is) "Look out hear he comes!" And Phil instead of standing in to deliver the pass and take the hit or sliding around just positions himself to take the sack in the best way possible. Getting hit on most of his drop backs this year has definitely taken its toll on him.

[Guest]

The only problem with this claim is that on many plays where the pass pro is decent, Rivers still slings the rock into coverage for picks, or makes some other unforced error...

Your take is pure fiction. Rivers actually has a fairly low INT rate over his career--much lower than that of Eli Manning, lower than that of Peyton Manning and lower than that of Ben Roethlisberger, but a tick higher than that of Drew Brees. So, he is not quite the INT machine that you are making him out to be. In fact, as of right now, he is a top 10 rated QB of all time in terms of his passer rating and that formula takes INTs into consideration. Even more remarkable is that he has accomplished this as an immobile QB with a bad to terrible OL in front of him for most of his career.

Rivers is by far the most underrated QB ever to play NFL football. All we see is people saying BS about how he throws funny, does not run well, is too emotional and has never won a Super Bowl (as if being on a Super Bowl winning team were somehow an individual accomplishment and not a team accomplishment) when the reality is that he has arguably the fastest release of any QB in the league, is arguably the best QB in the league in terms of passing with traffic around him (lots of practice at passing with failed OL protection), and is arguably the best anticipatory passer in the game.