Welcome JT Woods, DB, Baylor (R3, #79)

[powderblueboy]

I laughed at the Leatherwood pick because, having watched him, i thought he struggled with his feet in pass protection at OT.

I'm not laughing at the Strange pick because there were no obvious deficiencies watching him - which is all i can pick up:
and that it was Belichick.

The only consensus that matters is the collective consensus of the GMs, with the millions of dollars scouting budgets at their disposal.
They spend a lot of time, energy and expense in trying to figure how that consensus lines up.
So, to say that one knows absolutely who should be available in such and such a round is sheer nuts.

In addition, a big problem with the 'consensus' argument is that a Daniel Jeremiah and some noodle head at PFF are given equal weight.

One has already posted the stats concerning 'reaches' being most likely to earn 2nd contracts with the team that selected them;
that should pretty much obliterate anyone's confidence in the validity of the 'consensus' argument as to when a player should be selected.

Given how the 3rd and early 4rth round went, with the run on safeties and corners, in all likelihood, Woods would have been gone by the Charger's 4rth round pick,

The discussion about drafting to fit various NFL schemes, having already been discussed, I have nothing more to say on this argument.

[foreigner]

Is that time of year when we j** off fantasizing that all the drafted players are going to become pro bowlers?

Nothing really going on huh?

[powderblueboy]

Chaincrusher's probable draft:

1. Trevor Penning
3. Travis Jones
4. ?Tycen Anderson
5. The punt God (possible reach in the 4rth)
6A. Given up in the move to acquire Jones
6B. ??? (the who cares position and beyond)

This will be duly noted from hereon, redounding in fame or shame.
No wiggle room provided here: no face saving discussion about fitting one team & not fitting the other.

[sonorajim]

This is the time period where we fantasize about how all the draft picks and free agents are a waste of time & money since TT did not draft, sign or trade for a new RT that has been universally approved.

[blueman]

Chaincrusher's probable draft:

1. Trevor Penning
3. Travis Jones
4. ?Tycen Anderson
5. The punt God (possible reach in the 4rth)
6A. Given up in the move to acquire Jones
6B. ??? (the who cares position and beyond)

This will be duly noted from hereon, redounding in fame or shame.
No wiggle room provided here: no face saving discussion about fitting one team & not fitting the other.

Sounds awesome. Next!

[Maniaque 6]

I wonder how he would react if Woods, Palmer or McKitty becomes a solid contributor
Or if one of them make the play to win the SuperBowl.

[powderblueboy]

Sounds awesome. Next!

My draft

1rst: Zion Johnson
3rd: JT Woods
4rth: Isaiah Spiller (no running back left that i preferred)
5th: Otito (no DT left who had the potential to plug up the middle as well)
6A: Jamaree Salyer
6B: Rasheed Walker
7A: Jasir Taylor (the needed a backup slot corner /with kickoff capabilities)
7B: Zavander Horvath

[powderblueboy]

I wonder how he would react if Woods, Palmer or McKitty becomes a solid contributor
Or if one of them make the play to win the SuperBowl.

happy - but realistic:
isser:

with Woods: ball overthrown, just happened to be in the spot

with Palmer: perfect throw by Herbert, anyone could have made that catch

with McKitty: does 'he' have an animus towards McKitty?

[equivocation]

[Guest]

TYSEN ANDERSON SCOUTING REPORT: WEAKNESSES (from NFLDRAFTBUZZ.com)

• In coverage he rarely manages to get a good jam at the line and instead hangs back - surprisingly considering his frame
• Is not aggressive in coverage and rarely competes for the ball in contested catch situations - seems happier to break up the pass than make an interception
• Does not look confident in coverage and seems unsure leading him to become handsy and risk interference penalties
• Is not natural in coverage and struggles to display a inconsistent technique
• Looks too tight in coverage when attempting to cover the twitchier receivers. Has problems covering on intermediate and short routes
• NFL quarterbacks may take advantage of his aggressiveness in man and zone to eye up short routes and go over the top
• In his most recent playing season - he was a bit of liability in coverage demonstrated by a 114 QB rating when targeted
• Not fully consistent on making the interception in front of receivers. Best lined well off the line of scrimmage due to a high, stiff backpedal.
• Can be slow to react in coverage although has been masked by his catch up speed

SCOUTING REPORT: SUMMARY

Tycen Anderson is an elite athlete with perfect size, length, and speed for the position combined with strong tackling skills makes him seem on the surface like a quality prospect. However, Anderson really struggles in coverage, is very raw, and really needs to develop his skills if he ultimately wants a starting spot at the pro level. Currently, his skillset limits his NFL role to a short area box safety and we doubt he could hold up as a three-down player.

Anderson may be over-drafted due to his elite measurables by a team hoping to develop his raw talent into something a little more polished, but we can see his value as no higher than the fifth/sixth round of the 2022 NFL Draft.

I have already acknowledged that Anderson was consensus ranked at #159 (first half of the 5th round) versus Woods at #137 (late 4th round). For that value range in the draft, those players represent similar value in addition to being physically very similar (completely refuting the argument that Woods is unique because of his size and speed). Some sources had Anderson ranked higher than Woods, including Zierlein (nfl.com), who Critty cited.

Regarding the source you cited and the assertion that Anderson looked tight against twitchier receivers, that assertion is not supported by Anderson's elite (top 3 of all combine participants this year) 3-cone drill time of 6.64 seconds.

There is much more difference between Travis Jones and Otito Ogbonnia in terms of quality of player than there is between Woods and Anderson. Jones is ranked 143 slots higher than Ogbonnia versus the 22 slot difference between Woods and Anderson, though I think we could have walked away with Jones at #75 and Woods at #123. Outside of a couple of outliers and this forum, Woods is considered pretty much just a guy, whereas people are citing Jones as part of why BAL arguably had the best draft in the NFL this year.

[Xenos]

It’s pretty bad when the actor you hire (talking about Brosnan) publicity admits he doesn’t know how to play the role. Didn’t help any he was a middling actor to begin with.

Very curious what direction they go post-Craig…

I actually liked Brosnan a lot. His first two movies were good, especially Goldeneye.

[Guest]

I wonder how he would react if Woods, Palmer or McKitty becomes a solid contributor
Or if one of them make the play to win the SuperBowl.

Once again, it does not matter who the player is. If we can draft the same player later in the same draft, we erred--period. The evidence based on consensus values is that we could have in all 3 cases.

Consensus rankings for Palmer, McKitty and Woods were #149 (early 5th round), #163 (mid 5th round), and #137 (late 4th round), respectively. We took them at #77 (mid 3rd), #97 (late 3rd) and #79 (mid 3rd), respectively.

During the draft last year, I suggested taking Spencer Brown and Trey Smith. Suppose we did that and took Palmer in round 4 and McKitty in round 5 instead of Rumph and Jaimes. Our OL would have been better than it is now. That would have freed up our first round pick this year to take someone like Breece Hall if we wanted to do so. We could have traded up and taken Travis Jones in round 3 and taken Woods in round 4.

In that scenario, the difference is:

Brown>>>>>Norton, plus deeper bench of Norton and Pipkins
Smith =====Zion Johnson (push)
Breece Hall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Spiller
Travis Jones>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ogbonnia

The point is that wasting value unnecessarily by reaching hurts the team's overall level of talent.