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Welcome JT Woods, DB, Baylor (R3, #79)
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Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post
Under your analysis, there would have been nothing wrong with us taking Woods at #17 overall. That is ridiculous. What happened was the same problem as that, just to a lesser degree.
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Originally posted by TexanBeerlover View Post
Maybe you should submit your resume’?
Nowhere, literally nowhere, have I given any indication of where I had an individual player ranked. This has nothing to do with me.
It is easy to see where we reached and missed opportunities versus consensus big board rankings and I have pointed that out. You do not need to be a GM to see how we wasted draft value because we zeroed in on a particular player. It is exactly what a GM should not do in conducting a draft.
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Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post
No. Telesco undoubtedly had Zion Johnson rated higher than than J.T. Woods. Telesco and his staff didn't have anyone rated higher than J.T. Woods when our selection came up in the third round. That's why Woods was the selection in Round 3.
If that were so, it would not matter if we selected an UDFA caliber player at #17 overall. Obviously, it matters and matters greatly. The whole point of the draft is to maximize team talent with the picks we have. Whether through trade or selection, we need to use our picks to produce the best overall group of players.
Of course Telesco had Woods as his highest ranked player at #79. He is assuming he knows and that everyone else is wrong and drafting accordingly. He has to be right just to get fair value from the Woods pick.
While it is not always true, when it is one versus the consensus in these NFL player rankings, usually the consensus is correct and the outlier opinion is wrong.
I have already explained several times about a good strategy in these instances where there is a large discrepancy between the GM's ranking and the consensus ranking--take the player at or near the consensus value. That way, if the GM is truly the only one that got it right, then the GM gets great value instead of wasting draft capital on the next Larry English, Jacob Hester, or Jonas Mouton.
There are many players available in the draft. It is a poor draft strategy to be so desirous of a particular player that draft value is sacrificed to reach for the player.
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Originally posted by DerwinBosa View Post
No. Telesco undoubtedly had Zion Johnson rated higher than than J.T. Woods. Telesco and his staff didn't have anyone rated higher than J.T. Woods when our selection came up in the third round. That's why Woods was the selection in Round 3.
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Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post
Your comment makes no sense at all. I have discussed our draft picks and missed opportunities versus consensus big board rankings.
Nowhere, literally nowhere, have I given any indication of where I had an individual player ranked. This has nothing to do with me.
It is easy to see where we reached and missed opportunities versus consensus big board rankings and I have pointed that out. You do not need to be a GM to see how we wasted draft value because we zeroed in on a particular player. It is exactly what a GM should not do in conducting a draft.
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Originally posted by TexanBeerlover View Post
Your so deep into lawyering to make your case (wasted draft value) who gives a rats ass. Long as Chargers select impact players who fit into Staley’s puzzle. Really believe these players are the Staley Coaches Preferences, just look at Chargers picks in previous coaching regimes. So maybe maximizing is not part of their equation, if it means passing on a premium fit, over two potential premium fits. Ever heard of a bird in hand is better than two in the bush? Yes it’s conservative. Yes it can be boring. But their putting their job on the line, not us. Easy to play armchair GM with no skin in the game.
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Scheme fit is irrelevant to the player's overall league wide value, though it may limit which teams choose to select the player. Both Travis Jones and Otito Ogbonnia fit our scheme, but one is a consensus big board early/mid round 2 player (Jones) and the other is a an early round 6 player (Ogbonnia). Neither player's value changes because that player fits our scheme.
It should be easy for an NFL GM to conduct the draft as teams have many months to prepare for the draft by the time it finally happens. There is too much at stake for draft strategy errors to be taking place.
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Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post
The poster to whom I responded (Steve) asserted that it was no big deal that we selected a player early.
If that were so, it would not matter if we selected an UDFA caliber player at #17 overall. Obviously, it matters and matters greatly. The whole point of the draft is to maximize team talent with the picks we have. Whether through trade or selection, we need to use our picks to produce the best overall group of players.
Of course Telesco had Woods as his highest ranked player at #79. He is assuming he knows and that everyone else is wrong and drafting accordingly. He has to be right just to get fair value from the Woods pick.
While it is not always true, when it is one versus the consensus in these NFL player rankings, usually the consensus is correct and the outlier opinion is wrong.
I have already explained several times about a good strategy in these instances where there is a large discrepancy between the GM's ranking and the consensus ranking--take the player at or near the consensus value. That way, if the GM is truly the only one that got it right, then the GM gets great value instead of wasting draft capital on the next Larry English, Jacob Hester, or Jonas Mouton.
There are many players available in the draft. It is a poor draft strategy to be so desirous of a particular player that draft value is sacrificed to reach for the player.
For the record, I'm not a fan of Telesco, since this team has missed the playoffs seven of the nine years he's been general manager, but I'm not going to doubt a prospect such as J.T. Woods when I have never actually seen him play.
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Originally posted by chaincrusher View Post
The poster to whom I responded (Steve) asserted that it was no big deal that we selected a player early.
If that were so, it would not matter if we selected an UDFA caliber player at #17 overall. Obviously, it matters and matters greatly. The whole point of the draft is to maximize team talent with the picks we have. Whether through trade or selection, we need to use our picks to produce the best overall group of players.
Of course Telesco had Woods as his highest ranked player at #79. He is assuming he knows and that everyone else is wrong and drafting accordingly. He has to be right just to get fair value from the Woods pick.
While it is not always true, when it is one versus the consensus in these NFL player rankings, usually the consensus is correct and the outlier opinion is wrong.
I have already explained several times about a good strategy in these instances where there is a large discrepancy between the GM's ranking and the consensus ranking--take the player at or near the consensus value. That way, if the GM is truly the only one that got it right, then the GM gets great value instead of wasting draft capital on the next Larry English, Jacob Hester, or Jonas Mouton.
There are many players available in the draft. It is a poor draft strategy to be so desirous of a particular player that draft value is sacrificed to reach for the player.
First what does EARLY mean? The draft is a way to get good players. If the player is productive that is all that matters.
Second, the earlier post was about how ridiculous your sense of value is. This entire thread has devolved into you disagreeing with TTdraft, nothing more.
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Originally posted by sonorajim View PostRe Woods I believe Staley wanted a S with his characteristics. Size, speed, ball instincts and HBK was the best available at 79. Six safeties were taken ahead of him
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