2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[DerwinBosa]

Agree about Bowers but not Harrison... If Harrison is there you take him. Pitts was drafted #4 and look how that turned out... Not saying to never draft a TE in the top 5 but then I kinda am... If we draft top 5 and Harrison is off the board I trade down for Kool Aid and another 2nd.

Harrison and QJ are vastly different and not even worthy of comparison.

Of course you draft Harrison if he's there. He won't be, though.

[Lone Bolt]

i like audric alot, ive mocked him to us acouple of times, the only times ive left him out is when someone fell into my lap i couldnt say no to. hes a thumper whose agile. my only knock on him is he hold the ball way to high. i understand high and tight but when you watch him that ball is tucked almost into the top of his shoulder, it wont hurt him playing, i just feel like he runs to stiff when he breaks away

Good eye...didnt notice that...not a deal breaker, though...

We need RB help bad...we cant miss, so I am loathe to wait till the 4th round...just because he is being mocked there, doesnt mean he lasts that long...we may have to reach in the third, if we want to grab a pro ready back, or we may be relying on lucking into a sleeper gem...thats a helluva gamble for a key offensive component.

[Lone Bolt]

On picking a TE in the first. With Bowers, you arent just picking a TE, you are picking a game changing playmaker. Yes, I think he can take over games. You are also picking a winner and a leader...the kinda guy that you can build a competitive lockerroom culture with.

Keenan will be moving on in a year or two...albeit different position, Bowers would replace him as Herberts slam dunk, move the chains option...no matter where we actually picked him, Slayer, and what he does on the field, has absolutely been worth a top 10 pick...so would this kid in the long run.

Yes, I know...some recent highly picked TEs have disappointed...but they all have one thing in common...

They didnt have Herbert throwing to them.

[NOrvMeNow]

On picking a TE in the first. With Bowers, you arent just picking a TE, you are picking a game changing playmaker. Yes, I think he can take over games. You are also picking a winner and a leader...the kinda guy that you can build a competitive lockerroom culture with.

Keenan will be moving on in a year or two...albeit different position, Bowers would replace him as Herberts slam dunk, move the chains option...no matter where we actually picked him, Slayer, and what he does on the field, has absolutely been worth a top 10 pick...so would this kid in the long run.

Yes, I know...some recent highly picked TEs have disappointed...but they all have one thing in common...

They didnt have Herbert throwing to them.

One thing against Bowers, some say he's just a big split end.

Is he going to physically dominate NFL dbs by creating space and out muscling dbs for the ball when need be?
Or will he just try to run around and away from them?

Will he be an elite NFL tight end or a very good larger split end?
At #5 - 7, i'd like to see the former.

[NOrvMeNow]

My problem with Alt at #5 -7 is that they'll have to move someone to RT,
probably Alt.

He better be a future All Pro to justify his selection .... not a Mike Williams being nice, but they could have done better pick.
I don't think Alt is a slam dunk for that. You don't want the much stronger NFL pass rushers to shove him into Herbert's lap all game.
Slater has the great balance to reset with his feet and hands to ward off bull rushers;
I question whether the 6'8'' Alt is close to that level - i've seen a few things of him that make me wonder: gets moving to one side and then timber!
He's hard to run around, for sure. He's also a great technician, and works in tandem well with guards in pass pro .... how many OTs don't have a clue?

Other than Las Vegas, and a little bit with Browning, the edge rushers don't overwhelm in the AFC west,
and Max Crosby can just play over the guard and abuse who the Chargers might have there.

[electricgold]

Doesn't mean we HAVE to spend a first-round pick on a tight end or wide receiver. Spending a first-round pick on a wide receiver last April didn't help Herbert this year.

That was then and this is now! We'll have a new GM & HC and probably need another WR if MW is not here! Baltimore spending a first round on Zay Flowers last April helped their QB!

[NOrvMeNow]

I might as well start every post with, "AH" (assuming Harbaugh):
I suspect Jim will try to coach up Pipkins because he has the physical tools and movement ability to get the job done, his issue is lack of accountability imho.
First order of OL business is identifying the right Center to lead the OL and if we don't/can't afford to bring in a FA, I fully expect Jim to consider Zion, maybe Salyer.
Jim will draft a starting guard and depth pieces.

Agree.

Pipkens wasn't even a solid run blocker last year ..... sometimes coaching places a huge bulls eye on their chests.
Harbaugh will work him over so that he'll either want to get better, or just quit: none of this treading water.

[Lone Bolt]

One thing against Bowers, some say he's just a big split end.

Is he going to physically dominate NFL dbs by creating space and out muscling dbs for the ball when need be?
Or will he just try to run around and away from them?

Will he be an elite NFL tight end or a very good larger split end?
At #5 - 7, i'd like to see the former.

They say that, because of numbers on a sheet, specifically, his weight...but although not a mauler, he is a competitive, enthusiastic blocker.

[NOrvMeNow]

Doesn't mean we HAVE to spend a first-round pick on a tight end or wide receiver. Spending a first-round pick on a wide receiver last April didn't help Herbert this year.

Flush last year down the toilet.
Nothing wrong with two future top targets, if QJ pans out and you hit on your 1rst.

If QJ doesn't pan out, all the more reason to draft one.

Get a stud in the 1rst, and don't worry about the position.

Get the tough, physical, mentally strong (& some what sick) guys after that.

[NOrvMeNow]

They say that, because of numbers on a sheet, specifically, his weight...but although not a mauler, he is a competitive, enthusiastic blocker.

But my issue isn't about his blocking and enthusiasm,
my issue is whether he can run 6 - 8 yards down field, abuse a db running with him at some point, pivot, block out the sun behind him, and suck the football out of the air.

That's what you need from a tight end on a consistent basis, not just big play potential.
Maybe i'm old fashioned.

You want a tough, physical team - correct?

[dmac_bolt]

Flush last year down the toilet.
Nothing wrong with two future top targets, if QJ pans out and you hit on your 1rst.

If QJ doesn't pan out, all the more reason to draft one.

Get a stud in the 1rst, and don't worry about the position.

Get the tough, physical, mentally strong (& some what sick) guys after that.

• MH2 is a run-to-the podium pick but he won't be there.
• Bowers will be a top TE. Generally I don't take TE at 5 but he's an exception. Contrary to posts, he is a very good blocker - he's a complete 3 down TE with great soft hands, strong crisp routes, a 4.48sec 40 (ridiculous for a TE) - he is better than every TE taken this year and an instant starter.
• Nabers is going to be a great receiver, not sure he is #5 but I've seen him go that high in a few mocks. I assume MW is gone. Q is an open question, Slayer has maybe 2 more years? Herbie needs REAL weapons like the top QBs all have. Every top QB has better weapons imo.

Thats my current order of the three. I'm all for getting Herbie an elite generational weapon. The only other way I go at #5 is maybe OT. Can the OL be fixed without using that Top 5 pick? I would never take an OC at #5 , the only OL I take at 5 is a generational OT. Are the top 2 OTs really generational? We can fill OC and defensive weaknesses later in the draft, we'll have to.

[Lone Bolt]

But my issue isn't about his blocking and enthusiasm,
my issue is whether he can run 6 - 8 yards down field, abuse a db running with him at some point, pivot, block out the sun behind him, and suck the football out of the air.

That's what you need from a tight end on a consistent basis, not just big play potential.
Maybe i'm old fashioned.

You want a tough, physical team - correct?

Have you watched his film? Plenty of contested reps. Looks good to me. If you just watch highlights, you see the bigtime, open field plays...but plenty of stick routes on his resume also...