2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[La Costa Boy]

But my issue isn't about his blocking and enthusiasm,
my issue is whether he can run 6 - 8 yards down field, abuse a db running with him at some point, pivot, block out the sun behind him, and suck the football out of the air.

That's what you need from a tight end on a consistent basis, not just big play potential.
Maybe i'm old fashioned.

You want a tough, physical team - correct?

I have watched a lot of Bowers. He can do it all IMHO.

[dmac_bolt]

Have you watched his film? Plenty of contested reps. Looks good to me. If you just watch highlights, you see the bigtime, open field plays...but plenty of stick routes on his resume also...

Bowers screens defenders very well to give his QB a target, he goes up strong with soft hands on contested passes. he can win the possession routes all day and then get the LB/S to bite and take it deep down the seam with sub-4.5 speed. Everett is 4.62, Parham 4.68 for comparison. And neither block close to Bowers. He's a solid #5 pick if they go that way, absolutely.

Nabers is a beast WR. reminds me of Chase, not quite as fast 4.40 - 4.48? vs 4.38 Chase but he can beat DBs in all the same ways Chase does. he will be elite.

I don't know why I'm not as sure about Odunze. all he did was put up 81 catches for 1,400+ yards and 13 TDs as their #1 go-to all season for gosh sakes. Ive read he's ran 40 as low as 4.34, and is also big and strong with great hands. Maybe I should reset my perspective on him? WR analysts gurus - why Nabers over Odunze, spell out the scouting differences if you can?

“I’ve never seen him faster," DeBoer told Christian Caple of On Montlake. “He’s clocking in the 4.3s, and (is) as big as I’ve ever seen him.”

[Boltjolt]

As far as RB, I’m not giving up on Spiller yet. I still think he can be a good RB with a new HC and new Oline coaches. The 2 RBs I like in the mid rounds, although 2 very different RBs are, Braelon Allen and Bucky Irving.

Even though Irving is 40 lbs lighter, he seems just as difficult to bring down. And a good receiver out of the backfield. Allen is just a mauler that this team hasn’t had since Means. With Spiller receiving skills, I think a tandem of Allen and Spiller could be a good one. Then with their last pick of the draft, take RB Keilan Robinson. Robinson doesn’t have much production at all, but he has speed and can be the backup return specialist. The skat back they need with speed. He’s my Keaton Mitchell of this year who I was screaming for I. The 7th round last year.

I would also look on the FA market for a cheap veteran presence. Maybe a D’Onta Forman, Antonio Gibson, D’Ernst Johnson, Salvon Ahmed.

Antonio Gibson is interesting to me. He has great size, speed and hands. He’s had a really bad offense and Oline in his career in DC. I would definitely take a flier for a year on him and bring out the talent he has. He can line up all over the field with his WR background.

Go into the season with

I. Spiller
B. Allen
A. Gibson
K. Robinson

I’d be good with that with a new Oline coaches.

Gibson i wouldnt mind having but cant see us signing a RB. We wont have a lot of cap space and a OC is much more dire than a RB if we sign any FA's. OC, MAYBE a CB. And if we get Harbaugh im guessing he would like to draft Corum....who isnt a favorite of mine and prefer others in this draft.

[dmac_bolt]

Gibson i wouldnt mind having but cant see us signing a RB. We wont have a lot of cap space and a OC is much more dire than a RB if we sign any FA's. And if we get Harbaugh im guessing he would like to draft Corum....who isnt a favorite of mine and prefer others in this draft.

Corum does not jump out on film to me as having that next-level special abilities either. I've seen his 40 times posted between 4.38 and 4.44. He doesn't look to burst that fast on tape to me, maybe i'm not watching it correctly

[NOrvMeNow]

Have you watched his film? Plenty of contested reps. Looks good to me. If you just watch highlights, you see the bigtime, open field plays...but plenty of stick routes on his resume also...

Some, but I haven't seen this stuff - the hand fighting, pushing, shoving for position stuff;
operating in tight quarters stuff that Kelce and Gates did so well ... something i want to see in a tight end.

Settling into the right spot in zones, and getting open down field are great .... but can they carve out space?
I want to more of this stuff from Charger tight ends,

so, i'm asking.

[jox g]

Some, but I haven't seen this stuff - the hand fighting, pushing, shoving for position stuff;
operating in tight quarters stuff that Kelce and Gates did so well ... something i want to see in a tight end.

Settling into the right spot in zones, and getting open down field are great .... but I want to see this stuff from Charger tight ends,

so, i'm asking.

Kelce Body Slammed by Derwin James ! Haha

[Boltjolt]

Agree about Bowers but not Harrison... If Harrison is there you take him. Pitts was drafted #4 and look how that turned out... Not saying to never draft a TE in the top 5 but then I kinda am... If we draft top 5 and Harrison is off the board I trade down for Kool Aid and another 2nd.

Harrison and QJ are vastly different and not even worthy of comparison.

Pitts imo was a tad over rated but still a good player. He was more a tall fast WR in college. Average blocker as a TE. Just my opinion.

When he had Matt Ryan his rookie year he had 110 targets, 68 receptions and over 1000 yards so really that is a bad comparison to whats happening in ATL today.

In 2022 his QB was Mariota, who imo is a mediocre backup QB. He only had 2200 yards passing in 2022 and Atlanta as a team only had 2900. Pitts only had 59 targets, 28 receptions. Parham doesnt even start for us and has 35 targets.

Pitts has 80+ targets, 50 receptions so far this season and is doing ok but Ridder is his QB who has 2500+yards passing and 10 TDs and got benched last week. As a team they have about 3250 passing yards.

Herbert has nearly that and hasnt played 2 games in a down season.

Harrison wont be there when we pick and i think Bowers is a better overall TE than Pitts.

[NOrvMeNow]

Kelce Body Slammed by Derwin James ! Haha

I prefer pile driven into the ground. Would have loved a closeup of Kelce's face going down.
What did Derwin do wrong here?

[dmac_bolt]

Some, but I haven't seen this stuff - the hand fighting, pushing, shoving for position stuff;
operating in tight quarters stuff that Kelce and Gates did so well ... something i want to see in a tight end.

Settling into the right spot in zones, and getting open down field are great .... but I want to see this stuff from Charger tight ends,

so, i'm asking.

are you looking?

here's a short highlight reel - you'll see plays of him running thru and over defenders like they were matchsticks. You'll see strong contested catches where he out-muscles defenders. And you'll see a lot of amazing routes where he is quickly wide open 20+ yards downfield in a blink. He plays grown-ass-man TE, he's not just a cute receiving toy. But he is a great receiving toy, unlike most grown-man TEs.

[Boltjolt]

Corum does not jump out on film to me as having that next-level special abilities either. I've seen his 40 times posted between 4.38 and 4.44. He doesn't look to burst that fast on tape to me, maybe i'm not watching it correctly

Agree, if we do land Harbaugh, i hope watched a lot of RB tape & he likes other RBs better. But you know, he had Corum for a couple few years so that goes far too. Just hoping for better.

[NOrvMeNow]

are you looking?

here's a short highlight reel - you'll see plays of him running thru and over defenders like they were matchsticks. You'll see strong contested catches where he out-muscles defenders. And you'll see a lot of amazing routes where he is quickly wide open 20+ yards downfield in a blink. He plays grown-ass-man TE, he's not just a cute receiving toy. But he is a great receiving toy, unlike most grown-man TEs.

I've seen it.

He's a nice player with soft hands - Herbert would like that.
One linebacker put his hands on Bower in the video, and Bowers beat him on a wheel route.

I didn't see him carving out space once - putting his hands on a db and directing him one way,
or just going down, pivoting, and creating space against dbs: Kelce & Gates old game.

so i'm asking those who've seen a ton of him.
He would be the #5 - 7 pick in the draft and you do want a tight end with a complete arsenal in their bag at that point.
Someone who could be a very physical bastard like Kelce or Gronk, who could rag doll dbs, or a unique guy like Gatesy.
How important are 3rd downs?

Charger tight ends don't do it - possibly because Allen is the primary 3rd down option.
Allen has 1 - 2 years left at the top of his game?

[charger1993]

Good eye...didnt notice that...not a deal breaker, though...

We need RB help bad...we cant miss, so I am loathe to wait till the 4th round...just because he is being mocked there, doesnt mean he lasts that long...we may have to reach in the third, if we want to grab a pro ready back, or we may be relying on lucking into a sleeper gem...thats a helluva gamble for a key offensive component.

look out for dillion johnson for a consolation prize, i like him alot to. but yeah audric is the real deal. but if someone falls like they always do depending if we need the position i might skip him if its a big enough deal