2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[blueman]

Is somebody thinks that the Chargers has everything you need at WR and TE
if the OL can give one or two second more to Herbert to throw the damn football ?

Nope. Need to add a weapon, IMHO the OL can be coached up plenty, talent is there.

[Boltnut]

Name a successful trade down the Bolts have ever done. (Palomalu?)

Name a successful trade up the Bolts have ever done? (Leaf, Gordon, K9?)

Historically, we have lost every draft pick trade I can think of.

Trade back netted us arguably the best Charger ever... LaDanian Tomlinson.
Then we followed that up with Drew Brees in the 2nd round.
That was pretty good.

[Boltnut]

Traded Sheli (back) and got Rivers, Kaeding, and Merriman.
Pretty sure they traded up to Natrone Means.
Weddle was a trade up.
Leslie O'Neil was a trade up.
Gil Byrd was a trade up.
Kellen Winslow... trade up.

[Boltnut]

Latu a big NO! Please no more drafting college players with first round picks who have had major injuries before going pro! Haven't we learned our lesson with MW and the countless draft picks TT drafted coming off of injuries???

His injury 4 or 5 years ago hasn't kept him from racking up 23.5 sacks the last 2 seasons...

[Formula 21]

Traded Sheli (back) and got Rivers, Kaeding, and Merriman.
Pretty sure they traded up to Natrone Means.
Weddle was a trade up.
Leslie O'Neil was a trade up.
Gil Byrd was a trade up.
Kellen Winslow... trade up.

IIRC, Sheli for Rivers was player for Player with draft picks thrown in, not a draft pick trade.

Natron Means, one of Bethard’s horrible 1st for a second trades.

weddle a trade up in the 2nd. The other 3 were not traded draft picks.

The Weddle trade worked, the others weren’t draft pick trades. Again, IIRC.

[chargeroo]

Nope. Need to add a weapon, IMHO the OL can be coached up plenty, talent is there.

Nope. Need to add a weapon, IMHO the OL can be coached up plenty, talent is there.

I agree. I just don't think the OL is that bad. We do need a Center, but the rest are young and getting better.

[Boltnut]

Playoff winners/losers (scoring offense/scoring defense)

Winners:

KC (15/2)
Buf (6/4)
TB (19/5)
GB (8/12)
Hou (10/11)
Det (5/23)

Losers:

Dallas (1/9)
Mia (4/22)
Phi (7/30)
LAR (9/18)
Cle (13/21)
Pit (28/8)

Pre-Justin Herbert + Keenan Allen injury.... the Chargers were #8 in scoring offense (even without MW) but were 23rd scoring defense. The only playoff winning team same/worse than the Chargers scoring defense were the Lions (tied @23rd). Dolphins were the 22nd scoring defense (lost) and the Eagles were the 20th scoring defense (lost).

The #1,2,3 scoring offenses at the time were Dallas, Miami, and Philly (all gone). The Eagles would go onto lose most of their games at the end of the season and ended up the NFL's 30th scoring defense.

Eagles would go on to lose 32-9 to the league's 19th best scoring offense (Bucs).

[Boltgang74]

Well this team and TT/Johnny the imp's screwups ain't gonna get fixed in one offseason.Protect Herbert and help him to become the amazing QB he is capable of being first n foremost.

[sonorajim]

Playoff winners/losers (scoring offense/scoring defense)

Winners:

KC (15/2)
Buf (6/4)
TB (19/5)
GB (8/12)
Hou (10/11)
Det (5/23)

Losers:

Dallas (1/9)
Mia (4/22)
Phi (7/30)
LAR (9/18)
Cle (13/21)
Pit (28/8)

Pre-Justin Herbert + Keenan Allen injury.... the Chargers were #8 in scoring offense (even without MW) but were 23rd scoring defense. The only playoff winning team same/worse than the Chargers scoring defense were the Lions (tied @23rd). Dolphins were the 22nd scoring defense (lost) and the Eagles were the 20th scoring defense (lost).

The #1,2,3 scoring offenses at the time were Dallas, Miami, and Philly (all gone). The Eagles would go onto lose most of their games at the end of the season and ended up the NFL's 30th scoring defense.

Eagles would go on to lose 32-9 to the league's 19th best scoring offense (Bucs).

Among the last 10 SB Winners, 70% were among top 5 scoring offenses. 90% were top 10. Only 1 ( 2015 Denver) was lower.
Any team without a top scoring O is seriously bucking the odds.

Based solely on best 2023 reg season scoring O:
Bal (6), SF(2), Det (3), Buf (4) win their next playoff games.

[Boltnut]

IIRC, Sheli for Rivers was player for Player with draft picks thrown in, not a draft pick trade.

Natron Means, one of Bethard’s horrible 1st for a second trades.

weddle a trade up in the 2nd. The other 3 were not traded draft picks.

The Weddle trade worked, the others weren’t draft pick trades. Again, IIRC.

1979 – Traded 1979 1st (20) and 2nd (47) to Cleveland for 1979 1st (13, Kellen Winslow)
1983 – Traded 1983 2nd (49) and 1983 2nd from San Francisco to San Francisco for 1983 1st (22 from San Diego, Gil Byrd)
1986 – Traded 1986 1st (14) and 2nd (44 from Green Bay) to Minnesota for 1986 1st (8, Leslie O'Neal) and 3rd (67, Terry Unrein)

[dmac_bolt]

Name a successful trade down the Bolts have ever done. (Palomalu?)

Name a successful trade up the Bolts have ever done? (Leaf, Gordon, K9?)

Historically, we have lost every draft pick trade I can think of.

New sheriffs are headed to town. Its a new dawn, lets get up and go get it.

I cannot recall a good trade up, I remember many of those. Trading up is desperation, fear, lack of confidence and belief. you forgot Te’o, a guy way too too slow for the NFL that got completely destroyed and exposed in the Natty game, never mind his weird imaginary GF saga. and then there’s my personal all time favorite chargering trade-up, Jacob Fucking Hester. They traded up for Jacob Hester, smfh!

holy shit - you guys got me to use the term chargering. Fuck, i gotta get out of here!

[Formula 21]

1979 – Traded 1979 1st (20) and 2nd (47) to Cleveland for 1979 1st (13, Kellen Winslow)
1983 – Traded 1983 2nd (49) and 1983 2nd from San Francisco to San Francisco for 1983 1st (22 from San Diego, Gil Byrd)
1986 – Traded 1986 1st (14) and 2nd (44 from Green Bay) to Minnesota for 1986 1st (8, Leslie O'Neal) and 3rd (67, Terry Unrein)

Thanks for the refresher.