2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[powderblueboy]

When I think of what the Chiefs have that we don't have? to me the glaring difference is that they have a playmaking TE and a playmaking interior defensive lineman, those two areas are lacking on the Chargers...drafting Bowers could fix one of those two deficits, I don't think there is an interior defender that is worthy of a top ten pick right now, is there?

Chargers haven't had quality interior players since Castillo and Antonion Garay in 2010.

I never thought Liuget took that step forward.

Its been about 15 years.

AJ Smith passed up on some complete stud lineman for Liuget in the 1rst round.
One of those guys is still playing for Pittsburgh.

[northerner]

Rome Odunze??!

i have not watched many highlights on him, but Nabers and Bowers both look great. a lot of people love Odunze also.

[AFboltfan]

I am open to trading down, just dont understand why it is always for Kool-Aid on here. I want speed on this team, badly. He is not the top ranked CB for most draft experts, often 3rd or 4th

Yea Cooper DeJean who I wouldn't mind with a decent trade down but he is built more as a Safety than a CB... Which we could arguably say we need a Safety, but I wouldn't take one in the first. IMHO Kool Aid is the best pure CB in the draft... Terrion Arnold as well, but I still take Kool Aid over him.

[Boltjolt]

Yea Cooper DeJean who I wouldn't mind with a decent trade down but he is built more as a Safety than a CB... Which we could arguably say we need a Safety, but I wouldn't take one in the first. IMHO Kool Aid is the best pure CB in the draft... Terrion Arnold as well, but I still take Kool Aid over him.

Built like a safety? Because he is listed at 6'1", 207 lbs? I consider that a good thing. Pat Surtain is 6'2", 202. Sauce is 6'3", 200. Doesn't bother me at all as long as he can run and cover.

We'll see what DeJean weighs in at but if he is 200 - 207, I don't mind having a CB with some size. Beats having Verrett size.

I know this was many years ago but Mel Blount was 6'3" 205 and he was a stud. Notre Dame CB Cam Hart is 6'3", 207. There are some good size CBs in this draft.

[TexanBeerlover]

Cooper DeJean reminds me of John Lynch (210-220). Mentally reads the field, plays smart and physical. Ravens Hamilton sure looks like another pro bowler and he’s 6-4 220.

[charger1993]

There are other TEs I like , I just think Bowers is going to be a playmaker and immediate starter.

Also like Sanders, Stover, Sinnott, I think Barner is more a blocking TE but he is kinda raw too. Haven't seen any Holker tape yet.
We don't have a TE on the roster that's starting worthy so Bowers i think steps right in. Just don't see us resigning Everett.

oh i agree we have no tightends, and i think bowers will be special, but every year it happens, theres always a late round rookie that surprises. im not saying bowers wont be the best tight end, but theres always a chance hes not, im all for taking bowers, i just dont like the definite of he'll be the best tightend.

[charger1993]

That doesn't automatically make UDFA's worthy of a draft spot or mean they are "hidden gems"... Guys like Ekeler and Gates are very few and far between. Gates and Bowers shouldn't even be compared IMHO.

im not advocating drafting udfas, my point was theres always hidden talent, speaking in definites to talent in the draft is always dangerous, every year there a sure fire player that shits the bed. it happens, and every year theres a late round pick that balls out. all im saying is dont sing the praise of these guys just yet, bowers could very well be a hof tightend, but he could also not be , and a tightend taken in the mid to late rounds turn out to be the best tightend in the draft. thats my point, theres certain players that you know will translate and they are very very rare. then its all a hope.

[AFboltfan]

Built like a safety? Because he is listed at 6'1", 207 lbs? I consider that a good thing. Pat Surtain is 6'2", 202. Sauce is 6'3", 200. Doesn't bother me at all as long as he can run and cover.

We'll see what DeJean weighs in at but if he is 200 - 207, I don't mind having a CB with some size. Beats having Verrett size.

I know this was many years ago but Mel Blount was 6'3" 205 and he was a stud. Notre Dame CB Cam Hart is 6'3", 207. There are some good size CBs in this draft.

I'm just quoting the experts as well, we point to the experts not liking Kool Aid as the #1 well some are calling DeJean a Safety. At the end of the day I don't really give a crap, I just want our secondary improved and we're going to need at least one stud in Minter's defense.

[dmac_bolt]

oh i agree we have no tightends, and i think bowers will be special, but every year it happens, theres always a late round rookie that surprises. im not saying bowers wont be the best tight end, but theres always a chance hes not, im all for taking bowers, i just dont like the definite of he'll be the best tightend.

Isnt that true of every position? I don’t get the relevance of observation that an occasional surprise is found in a late round? The stats are clear - the later the round, the less likely that player is to have an NFL career. Per my friend, George Googles:

The first round gives you a 63% chance of finding a starter. The second round gives you a 27% chance, the third a 17% chance, then it really plummets from there with 8% in the fourth and 6% in the 7th

[Fouts2herbert]

Chargers haven't had quality interior players since Castillo and Antonion Garay in 2010.

I never thought Liuget took that step forward.

Its been about 15 years.

AJ Smith passed up on some complete stud lineman for Liuget in the 1rst round.
One of those guys is still playing for Pittsburgh.

I believe Jamal Williams (a beathard guy) is probably the only top of the line interior guy that the chargers have drafted going back to the 1980s, there have been some decent edge/DE players drafted by the chargers since then but JW stands alone as a "dominant interior guy", someone that the opposing team actually had to game plan for, castillo, olshansky, liuget, etc..IMO none of them ever really became dominant interior guys, they were okay players but that's about it...

[Boltjolt]

oh i agree we have no tightends, and i think bowers will be special, but every year it happens, theres always a late round rookie that surprises. im not saying bowers wont be the best tight end, but theres always a chance hes not, im all for taking bowers, i just dont like the definite of he'll be the best tightend.

Well,i dont think MHJ is a runaway best WR as Nabers had a lot better season than he did and is dynamic...i also really like Odunze but it dont stop many here from saying if he is available we should definitely pick him. IDK. Not saying they are wrong either but i think i may trade down, get picks & let someone else pick him. This WR class is pretty loaded. Not so much at TE. That said i dont think he gets past AZ. Murrays WRs arent all that and Mike Wilson was hurt a lot of the season.

Just my opinion.

[DerwinBosa]

Chargers haven't had quality interior players since Castillo and Antonion Garay in 2010.

I never thought Liuget took that step forward.

Its been about 15 years.

AJ Smith passed up on some complete stud lineman for Liuget in the 1rst round.
One of those guys is still playing for Pittsburgh.

He passed on Cameron Jordan (Saints) and Cam Heyward. They're both still playing. Liuget was ranked higher by all of the so-called mock draft experts that year. I was a huge fan of Jordan. I remember watching him destroy Nate Solder when they went head-to-head in 2010. Jordan's a three-time All-Pro and eight-time Pro Bowler. Heyward is a four-time All-Pro and six-time Pro Bowler. Liuget was a no-time All-Pro and no-time Pro Bowler in 10 mediocre NFL seasons.

A.J. had a terrible draft that year, which he wasted after trading Antonio Cromartie for a 2011 second-round pick. We had two second-round picks and used them on Marcus Gilcrist and Jonas Mouton. I was screaming at the TV for us to pick Justin Houston, who fell out of the first round for "character concerns."

Just think what could have been if we had taken Jordan or Heyward in the first and Houston in the second.