2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Boltjolt]

I still like the Falcons as our #1 trading partner. In exchange for our #5 overall, we only move down to #8, where there should still be some of the more premium players. If Alt is there, that would be very cool. But even one of the top CBs would be nice. We also get #43 and #74. I might even play hardball and also ask for #79. If they push back and stay that's too steep, throw them a bone and let them have that 7th rounder we got for Tranq...

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That May be possible .id take that l. And unless someone trades up for Bowers, he should be there for us. But if any doubt and Harbaugh wants him, he should just draft him at 5.

[Boltnut]

So we go all in on defense, and watch Herbert, our 50 plus mil a year QB, stagnate yet again...I dont see it at the expense of drafting Koolaid...just dont.


I believe the defense was undercoached...or actually, overcoached...changes there too...just not with first pick. Totally unimpressed with corners or edge...WR, OT, and Bowers? They move the needle. The talent pool is what it is. Trade back more than 8? We'll talk...otherwise, no brainer.

Again...our roster moves prior to the draft can change things a ton...but regardless...there is not one defender in this draft worth a top 5...or 8 pick. IMO.

What I see @5-13 are players that play their positions at a high level. Whether that is TE, OT, EDGE, or CB.
I've watched all of them... multiple times, multiple games. The only exception is Quinyon Mitchell... but I'll guarantee you, I'll find some game tape before the draft. Now, I know you guys like your "experts". But experts miss all the time. They are rarely any better than you or I. Most of their rankings are based on inside chatter... which may be real or fake. But tape is tape. Anyone can watch it. Anyone can interpret it the way they see fit.

I'll give you a couple of examples... one expert and one player evaluation.

I love to tell a story about Daniel Jeremiah. Everybody loves DJ. But I met DJ when I was 16 years old. I played HS football at the high school that DJ's father was the school's chaplain (Christian HS in El Cajon). DJ was only 5 years old at the time. But you could already see that he thought pretty highly of himself. Maybe it was the status of being the preacher's kid at a private religious school... IDK. But everyday, while old Nutty was bleeding on the practice field, you could hear this little snot-nosed kid bragging to his friends about football this and football that. Yet, even then he knew 1/100th about what he was talking about. Now I'm sure he's learned a lot since then. But are we 100% sure that we don't know as much as him... what if his confidence is what he gets by on...? I can't help seeing that little snot-nosed know-it-all everytime I read something he writes...

A few years ago, I got into an un-winable debate about Louis Nix vs David Andrews. I think it was with a reputable poster named Kemp. I argued that taking Nix was a huge risk as he was coming off of a knee injury. I was also going on about how I thought David Andrews could be a year-1 starter. Kemp went on-and-on about the experts. Andrews is projected in the 6th round... Nix is projected late 1st/early 2nd. How could all the experts be so wrong...? he'd say. I'd tell him, well I just like his tape... I like his traits... Well, you can imagine how it went when David Andrews went undrafted... Now I don't think David Andrews has been elected to any Pro Bowls... but he's exactly the player I thought he'd be. Solid player that makes a team stronger.

I can tell you exactly why I like certain players. And I'm fine if no one agrees with me. We've all been right/wrong about players. But "there are no defensive players that are worth a top-8 or top-10 pick"...? Nah, I don't believe that. You like your 1 guy...? Fine. But don't discount others just to build an argument.

And for the record... I'm not a Kool-Aid Only guy. I put him in the top-12 (with others)... Brock Bowers is there too, BTW. I'm more of a "Our team has so many needs we should trade back" guy. You want to tell me Nabers is top-10 and Kool-Aid is the 3rd or 4th best CB...? Fine... but I've watched tape that suggests otherwise.

[Boltnut]

I am not getting into a my guy/ your guy battle. I've said twice I was fine with those two.

I'm not a pat myself in the back type. I'll admit when I'm wrong.

I am pointing out that you were the one that wanted them the most here and now you are calling them over hyped and wasted money. You are back peddling.

This isn't about me at all.

I'm not even criticizing them. Just pointing out that you were their cheerleader like you are now the cheerleader for Kool aid, and now calling them over hyped lol.

As for Tank Dell, my only problem with him is he is small. I don't prefer those guys because of injuries. And he has been good, but was injured 3 times this season. Same with Achane.

Mims didn't have a great rookie year....neither did his QB,.. but he has time still.

But this isn't about who is a scout and isnt. You can have that it you need it, I dont mean that much to me.

None of us are getting paid here.

When I said over-hyped, I was referring to JCJ... not SJD or Austin Johnson. When I say over-hyped I'm referring to particular draft prospects. You just read my post wrong.

You can insinuate I'm a pat-on-the-back guy if you like. In reality, I'm just a guy that disagrees with you from time to time. There's no need to denigrate others just because you need to win an argument. We all make good/bad picks. No need to paint others as hypocritical. As you say, we're not getting paid here.

[sonorajim]

You can get "Herbert off the ground" by running the ball better. His best year by far (2021) we ran the ball better... even with Storm Norton @RT. Our TE was Jared Fricking Cook....

The only thing I see at everyone's Top-10... are offensive players. But I see a CB (possibly 2 now) and 2 pass-rushers in the Top-12 (maybe 13).
My CB shut down everybody's #7 pick WR. You have to see that... really.

BTW... you mis-understand me if you think I want to bring back some of our defensive FA's.
K9... bye
AJ... nope
Vato and his up/down... nada

We won't be bringing back anybody. Defense or offense. If they're back on cheap deals... it's because we're cheap. It doesn't mean they're good. In fact, I'd cut Kendricks... age and price. Anybody who might be decent (Gilman) will probably be paid decently.

I want to draft defensive players that fit Harbaugh/Minter. 4-year contracts on ascending/developing players is how you get better.

I'd talk to Dicker for sure. Alohi Gilman probably. Amen maybe.

But I'm all Hortiz - Haebaugh, show me what you're made of re personnel decisions.
I'll second guess them after I see the '24 Chargers play a half season or so.

[Formula 21]

PFF

C JACKSON POWERS-JOHNSON, OREGON


Powers-Johnson has been the best player at the Senior Bowl through two days. He was one of the top interior offensive linemen going into the week and has not only matched expectations, but exceeded them. He showed up at 335 pounds, which is big for a center, but he still is fast on his feet with power and patience. He feels like a first-round player because of his dominance against all pass rushers.

[Fleet 1]

Only guy I would want from that vid is McConkey. Bad.

I have quiet thoughts about what Bowers/McConkey look like in this offense. They both seem like Justin types. Guys who will always be where he expects them to be.

[Boltjolt]

When I said over-hyped, I was referring to JCJ... not SJD or Austin Johnson. When I say over-hyped I'm referring to particular draft prospects. You just read my post wrong.

You can insinuate I'm a pat-on-the-back guy if you like. In reality, I'm just a guy that disagrees with you from time to time. There's no need to denigrate others just because you need to win an argument. We all make good/bad picks. No need to paint others as hypocritical. As you say, we're not getting paid here.

That is not what I am doing.

I don't need to win an argument.
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If i read your post wrong, ok, I apologize but this is what you said,,...... "blowing millions on over-hyped defensive free agents"..agents with an S. You didn't say JC Jackson you said free agents and AJ and SJD are part of those millions and free agentS. Thus my reply as JCJ was not mentioned in that entire post of yours.

And sorry you kinda do pat yourself on the back sometimes and that's fine. Everybody has their way, doesn't bother me, and has nothing to do with me, I've seen it replying to others. Again, fine. Just being honest is all I am. I like your takes, read them all, try not to miss any.

I said recently, I can watch OL video but those posssitions bore me to watch it very long so I refer to you and Wu for better insight on OL than what I see. I never played OL. I was a RB, Safety and CB in my days.

I am pretty adamant about drafting Bowers but it won't make me say i was right and you do disagree with that,..which again is fine. Just think he is a great fit for us and we can get CB, DT, LB later. Hec I think we may draft 2 TEs. The Ravens have done that at least 4 times in drafts.....Or sign a 1 year cheaper vet TE.
I don't hope, we need extra picks and I'm sure we will sign a couple 2nd tier FAs. Don't think RB will be one of them but maybe 1 CB, and OC, LB.

[beachcomber]

guys that need to be replaced:

MW >> QJ
Guyton/Alex Erickson >> FA Cedrick Wilson, Ladd McConkey

Foster Sarell >> Pips
Corey Linsley >> Jackson Powers Johnson, Sedrick Van Pran Granger, FA Connor Williams
Will Clapp >> Brendan Jaimes
Jamaree >> McFadden, Cooper Beebe, Zak Zinter
Pips >> Jamaree, Taliese Fuaga

Stone Smartt >> Brock, FA Hunter Henry, Cade Stover, Ben Sinnott, Dallin Holker, Brevyn Spann Ford

Easton Stick >> FA Gardner Minshew
Max Duggan >> Joe Milton

Ekeler >> FA D'Andre Swift, Blake Corum, Trey Benson, Jonathan Brooks, Audric Estime, Mar'Keise Irving, Braelon Allen, Ray Davis
Joshua Kelley >> FA D'Ernest Johnson, Dillon Johnson, Frank Gore Jr, Miyan Williams, Daijun Edwards, Keilan Robinson

Nick Williams >> T'Vondre Sweat
SJD/AJ >> Byron Murphy, Jer'Zhan Newton, Kris Jenkins, Gabe Hall, FA A'Shawn Robinson

Joey >> Tuli (we need a backup for Tui as well)
Chris Rumph II >> FA Dorance Armstrong

Kendricks >> Cedric Gray, Junior Colson,
Murray >> FA Denzel Perryman
Niemann >> Ty'Ron Hopper
Ogbongbemiga >> Eric Gentry, Cody Simon

Bryce Callahan >> Kamari Lassiter, Mike Sainristil
JC Jack >> Kool Aid McKinstry

[beachcomber]

guys that need to/could be hedged:

Keenan >> Nabers, Odunze

Khalil >> Latu, Dallas Turner, Verse, Bralen Trice, FA Dorance Armstrong

Mike D. >> Kool Aid
Asante >> Terrion Arnold
Essang Bassey >> Kamari Lassiter, Mike Sainristil

JT Woods >> Cooper DeJean, Cole Bishop

[Boltnut]

I'd talk to Dicker for sure. Alohi Gilman probably. Amen maybe.

But I'm all Hortiz - Haebaugh, show me what you're made of re personnel decisions.
I'll second guess them after I see the '24 Chargers play a half season or so.

There are 4 ERFA's that will probably be tendered pre-draft. Dicker is one of them.
Gilman might get re-signed... unless he asks too much.

Whatever Horitz decides... he's the pro.

[beachcomber]

1) Nabers, Odunze, Brock, Fuaga, Latu, Dallas Turner, Verse, Jer'Zhan, Byron Murphy, Kool Aid, Terrion Arnold, Jackson Powers Johnson, Cooper DeJean, Bralen Trice, Kamari Lassiter

2) Ladd McConkey, Kris Jenkins, T'Vondre Sweat, Junior Colson, Sedrick Van Pran Granger, Cooper Beebe, Blake Corum, Trey Benson, Jonathan Brooks

3) Cade Stover, Mike Sainristil, Audric Estime, Zak Zinter, Mar'Keise Irving, Braelon Allen, Cedric Gray, Cole Bishop

4) Ray Davis, Ty'Ron Hopper, Ben Sinnott, Gabe Hall
5) Joe Milton, Dillon Johnson, Dallin Holker
6) AJ Barner, Frank Gore Jr., Brevyn Spann Ford, Miyan Williams
7) Daijan Edwards, Eric Gentry, Cody Simon, Keilan Robinson

[Boltnut]

That is not what I am doing.

I don't need to win an argument.
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If i read your post wrong, ok, I apologize but this is what you said,,...... "blowing millions on over-hyped defensive free agents"..agents with an S. You didn't say JC Jackson you said free agents and AJ and SJD are part of those millions and free agentS. Thus my reply as JCJ was not mentioned in that entire post of yours.

And sorry you kinda do pat yourself on the back sometimes and that's fine. Everybody has their way, doesn't bother me, and has nothing to do with me, I've seen it replying to others. Again, fine. Just being honest is all I am. I like your takes, read them all, try not to miss any.

I said recently, I can watch OL video but those posssitions bore me to watch it very long so I refer to you and Wu for better insight on OL than what I see. I never played OL. I was a RB, Safety and CB in my days.

I am pretty adamant about drafting Bowers but it won't make me say i was right and you do disagree with that,..which again is fine. Just think he is a great fit for us and we can get CB, DT, LB later. Hec I think we may draft 2 TEs. The Ravens have done that at least 4 times in drafts.....Or sign a 1 year cheaper vet TE.
I don't hope, we need extra picks and I'm sure we will sign a couple 2nd tier FAs. Don't think RB will be one of them but maybe 1 CB, and OC, LB.

The signings I didn't agree with were JCJ and Pipkins.
I don't need pats on the back. Everyone here likes to brag about their correct picks and forget their misses.
That's fine if you are adamant about Bowers... he's a hell of a player.
I think people are painting me as Kool-Aid Only. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'd be happy with 5 or 6 of the players have mentioned (Brock included). My preference is trade-back... but who knows if that even happens.

I think you have very good takes, too... and read all of them. I appreciate all of the prospects that others bring up. I love looking into prospects not on my radar.