2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Bolt4Knob]

So do you believe if MHJ is on the board @ 5 our GM would pass?

All depends on where they rank MHJr compared to the other WRs and if they think they can get a WR at 8 or 11, or another position and still get more picks

Say the rankings for WR are like this
MHJr: 82; Nabers: 76.7; Odunze: 75.8, throw in Bowers too at 76.3
thats a pretty darn big gap

But what if the gap is 77.3, 76.7, 76.3 and 75.8 - gap is closer

I think they are going to need to be blown away to pass on a top 5 pick - and if you exclude 2 or 3 QBs, it might actually be a top 3 player on your board

[Boltjolt]

I know I get it but you're not an actual talent evaluator as well as I'm not either! The TE position is very tricky and to draft Bowers at 5 is a reach any way you look at it! Sure Herbert's abilities could make any TE better, so I'm not so sure Ben Sinnott couldn't be a great TE for the Chargers as well, I believe his blocking could be just what Harbaugh needs!

When you say Sinnott is not at Bower's level, I bet you would have said last year at this time Sam LaPorta is not at Dalton Kincaid's level either, see what I mean. It's a very tough call to draft Bowers over Joe Alt based on the beating Herbert took the last few seasons here!

Maybe if we are hell bent on Bowers a good strategy would be to trade down a bit and if he gets drafted, go with RT Fuaga or Newton or Dallas Turner as plan B! Because we have a lot of team needs based on TT's failures, this could very well outweigh drafting Bowers at 5, unless he's at a hall of Fame level! Is he!? We just don't know for sure that he is!

If we draft Bowers at 8 or 10, is he worth it?

[dmac_bolt]

Those measurables never seemed to include speed and size.

I'm in the enamored by interview performance camp,

Darius Phylon being the one exception.

they liked intangibles, they valued players that are really good people.

[dmac_bolt]

the opinions are flying all over the place, but Herbert is our best weapon (and most expensive). he needs:

1. time to throw.
2. open targets to throw to.

so many times, it seems like Herbert is taking so long to find an open guy. maybe someone who could get open quickly would take care of both of those issues.

bowers at 5? bowers with a trade back? i am dizzy...

Nabers gets open faster than Odunze. fyi.

[dmac_bolt]

I know I get it but you're not an actual talent evaluator as well as I'm not either! The TE position is very tricky and to draft Bowers at 5 is a reach any way you look at it! Sure Herbert's abilities could make any TE better, so I'm not so sure Ben Sinnott couldn't be a great TE for the Chargers as well, I believe his blocking could be just what Harbaugh needs!

When you say Sinnott is not at Bower's level, I bet you would have said last year at this time Sam LaPorta is not at Dalton Kincaid's level either, see what I mean. It's a very tough call to draft Bowers over Joe Alt based on the beating Herbert took the last few seasons here!

Maybe if we are hell bent on Bowers a good strategy would be to trade down a bit and if he gets drafted, go with RT Fuaga or Newton or Dallas Turner as plan B! Because we have a lot of team needs based on TT's failures, this could very well outweigh drafting Bowers at 5, unless he's at a hall of Fame level! Is he!? We just don't know for sure that he is!

thats an opinion. a lot of people looking at it differently, you do know that right? So "any way" is really not any way, right?

I'm not Anti-Alt btw. Though I like the idea of Fuaga too. Neither will make it to Rd 2, I am not versed on OTs projected to day2.

[electricgold]

If we draft Bowers at 8 or 10, is he worth it?

I can't say definitively.... Maybe though because you have to add to the equation that you picked up the extra picks and got him with that! If not Joe Alt or MHJ at 5 I think it could be the best strategy and next best option! However Bowers could be a strong option for the Giants, Tennessee or Chicago? Atlanta probably goes QB! If Bowers got drafted after the trade down Option 3 could be to draft Turner, Newton IE the top D player on the board!

[electricgold]

thats an opinion. a lot of people looking at it differently, you do know that right? So "any way" is really not any way, right?

I'm not Anti-Alt btw. Though I like the idea of Fuaga too. Neither will make it to Rd 2, I am not versed on OTs projected to day2.

Yep as a matter of fact everything on this board is opinions & speculation that's the whole point of our debates! What I will say and ask you is when was the last time a TE was drafted top 5?! Bowers better be borderline Hall of Fame ultimately if taken that high, and it's a lot of pressure to put on the kid!

[Boltinloudguy]

Gesicki is a terrible blocker. No Thanks,....even without Harbaugh and his emphasis on running the ball. He offers zero as a blocker. Not an inline TE at all.

That’s why I paired him up with AJ Barner who was the best blocking TE in college football last year and Theo Johnson who showed not only blocking skills at the Senior Bowl but receiving skills as well. If you can get a nice mix of blocking TEs and receiving TEs, it can work. Pretty rare nowadays you see a TE that can block really well and receive really well. I say Gesicki because he has big play ability at the TE position.

Gesicki is going to be cheap. You sign him to a 1 year prove it deal and get his value up to get a comp pick in the future. At the same time, you have started to build your TE room to be officially completed in next years draft when they draft Colston Loveland in the 2nd😜.

[Boltjolt]

I can't say definitively.... Maybe though because you have to add to the equation that you picked up the extra picks and got him with that! If not Joe Alt or MHJ at 5 I think it could be the best strategy and next best option! However Bowers could be a strong option for the Giants, Tennessee or Chicago? Atlanta probably goes QB! If Bowers got drafted after the trade down Option 3 could be to draft Turner, Newton IE the top D player on the board!

Newton isn't worth a top 10.

I'll wait to see who we keep before saying what we should do.

Bowers for me is a go at 5 but much prefer a trade down for him.

WR ill continue to say is a no way we doing that unless we let go both KA and MW. If KA stays, WR isn't happening at 5.

[dmac_bolt]

Yep as a matter of fact everything on this board is opinions & speculation that's the whole point of our debates! What I will say and ask you is when was the last time a TE was drafted top 5?! Bowers better be borderline Hall of Fame ultimately if taken that high, and it's a lot of pressure to put on the kid!

I don’t remember, sorry. I don’t find past players and their success of failure relevant. I see him as a uniquely talented TE and the Chargers are uniquely in need of a talented TE. its talent meets need pairing. Why does Bowers have to be HOF but Alt or Nabers don’t?

I think Bowers can be all pro as much as I think the other two can be. I’m not the Bowers-or-Bust crowd, I see several good options, I’m actually leaning to Nabers as the more explosive weapon option right now but there’s 2 months till draft so I could change view yet again.

I just disagree with that Bowers by definition is not worthy of #5, its ok to disagree. That definition is based on different players on different teams drafted in different years or even times.

I thought your post said that there is no way for anyone to not say 5 isn’t an overdraft. I don’t agree there is no way. He’s on the overwhelming majority of analyst boards between 4 and 6 so while you may be right as history unfolds in the future - there’s the way right there. Thats all I said.

[gzubeck]

Newton isn't worth a top 10.

I'll wait to see who we keep before saying what we should do.

Bowers for me is a go at 5 but much prefer a trade down for him.

WR ill continue to say is a no way we doing that unless we let go both KA and MW. If KA stays, WR isn't happening at 5.

Technically you could be right but what happens if we drop a few spots and still draft a WR at 8-11? Still would be a high pick and a replacement for Mike Williams. Mike Williams is not playing the first 6-8 games of next season and KA could be retired in a few years. I would say if we keep both Mike Williams and KA then we don't draft WR at #5.

[Velo]

How about this scenario.

Trade down with Falcons.
Atlanta gets the #5 pick.
The Chargers get Kyle Pitts and the #8, pick with which they draft Rome Odunze.
Or the Chargers get the #8 pick (and pick Odunze) plus the Falcons' 2nd round pick, #74.