2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Boltjolt]

What if Bowers isn't there @#11...?

Then we go from there.

Id like to trade down to 8 if we can and take him there. Or,...if they really think he is a guy they need, take him at 5 but I'd rather at 8.

At 8 his contract is 10 mil less, his cap hit is 2 mil less.

[AFboltfan]

Then we go from there.

Id like to trade down to 8 if we can and take him there. Or,...if they really think he is a guy they need, take him at 5 but I'd rather at 8.

At 8 his contract is 10 mil less, his cap hit is 2 mil less.

Past the 8th pick and you're really taking a gamble... I can see Denver picking Bowers and nobody wants that...

[Boltjolt]

Who cares...There will be 5 other players of good repute to take at a position of need. Bowers is a good player but not a game changer like some here think. I'd rather have McConkey in the second round versus Bowers at #5. If people thought QJ was over drafted the Bowers thing will dwarf that at #5 pick!

Why is drafting a WR in round 2 better than Bowers at 5? I don't get that mind set. Bowers would start, McConkey likely will not.

We don't have a big need at WR. If we are in two TE sets 75 % of the time, two WRs will be in the game. Keenan and either Palmer id QJ. Thinking Palmer will beat out QJ.

Am for drafting a WR but not in round 1 or 2. Imo it would be for depth and replacing Keenan eventually....and if QJ doesn't developed fast enough.

[gzubeck]

Why is drafting a WR in round 2 better than Bowers at 5? I don't get that mind set.

We don't have a big need at WR. If we are in two TE sets 75 % of the time, two WRs will be in the game. Keenan and either Palmer id QJ.

Am for drafting a WR but not in round 1 or 2. Imo it would be for depth and replacing Keenan eventually....and if QJ doesn't developed fast enough.

I like McConkey at pick #37 as I believe he's a the real deal and and extreme value pick at that point in time. Bowers is not going to be this monster player everyone thinks at the NFL level...at least for the first year. Maybe he evolves but it's not going to be sudden juice.

[gzubeck]

Why is drafting a WR in round 2 better than Bowers at 5? I don't get that mind set. Bowers would start, McConkey likely will not.

We don't have a big need at WR. If we are in two TE sets 75 % of the time, two WRs will be in the game. Keenan and either Palmer id QJ.

Am for drafting a WR but not in round 1 or 2. Imo it would be for depth and replacing Keenan eventually....and if QJ doesn't developed fast enough.

$42 mil for an old man and Gimp. We have a big need going forward!

[Topcat]

Why is drafting a WR in round 2 better than Bowers at 5? I don't get that mind set. Bowers would start, McConkey likely will not.

We don't have a big need at WR. If we are in two TE sets 75 % of the time, two WRs will be in the game. Keenan and either Palmer id QJ. Thinking Palmer will beat out QJ.

Am for drafting a WR but not in round 1 or 2. Imo it would be for depth and replacing Keenan eventually....and if QJ doesn't developed fast enough.

^ This...WR is a luxury pick this year...our #1 PON is C...I wouldn't mind Bowers, because we do need a combo receiving and blocking TE...but O-line has to be priority...

[blueman]

^ This...WR is a luxury pick this year...our #1 PON is C...I wouldn't mind Bowers, because we do need a combo receiving and blocking TE...but O-line has to be priority...

How many game-winning TDs did our WRs haul in the last few years?

[Boltnut]

Nahhh no way.

You can’t draft of need in drafts that gets teams in trouble. You take best available. If Patrick Mahomes is on the board you deal with it. If Randy Moss is on the board you deal with it. If Fred Taylor is on the board you deal with it. If Adrian Peterson is on the board you deal with it.

Detroit took 3 receivers busts analyst were actually telling them don’t take Calvin Johnson cause all thier receivers bust hall of famer.

take best available. All that need shit will get you in trouble. Need will have you drafting Solomon Thomas over Patrick Mahomes

Need will have you drafting Robert Gallery over Larry Fitzgerald.

Need will have you drafting Fabian Washington over Aaron Rodgers.

And don’t come at me with the you haiting on Alt.

Nope if you feel or think Alt is the best player on the board draft him. But don’t draft him cause you need a right tackle.

I don’t necessary think the Chargers need Brock Bowers but I think he’s the best player ranked.

If Marvin Harrison was in thier lap I’d say draft him. But after Harrison is Bowers and I do Have Bowers ranked ahead of Alt.

Brock Bowers was the top player in the draft last year. Stop with the Noncense.

He would’ve been drafted before Sam Laporta Luke Musgrave Dalton Kincaid Qunentin Johnston and Zay Flowers.

Baltimore would’ve run two tight end sets. So I don’t want to hear it.

And comparing Brock Bowers to Quentin Johnston is just no comparison. Not one team was taking Quentin Johnston over Brock Bowers.

Brock Bowers is can’t miss Quentin Johnston was upside. Question mark. Bust potential. Duwayne Bowe. He had drops in college.

Brock Bowers never had drops problems at Georgia. And I think the national championship game everybody was saying give me Bowers don’t give me Johnston.

This is the same shit that made the Raiders take Tyre Wilson over Jaylen Carter. You think they’d like that do over????

People over think this draft shit take the best player available. It’s why we have Justin Herbert because Washington took Chase Young over Justin Herbert.

It's all good if you really think Brock Bowers is the best player this draft and last draft. I don't. I think he's talented. I think he played in the perfect system @Georgia. I suspect that's why he chose Georgia over Michigan.

For our system, I suspect Joe Alt would enable the coaching staff to do exactly what they claim they want to do... protect the franchise QB and run the ball. He's a complete OT. I'm not going to predict that he's a future HOF or "generational" But his impact would be un-matched by any other prospect at any other position. @the #5 position, the 5th-year option salary is set (regardless of position). So I also consider the return-on-investment when choosing #5. Compare the TE v OT salaries. Because NFL GM's do compare players/positions in that particular scenario.

I also consider the fact that I could cut Pipkins in 2025 and save $6.75m in cap space.
I can live with a TE in the 4th or 5th round. Especially if your team is changing philosophies... and already has a #1 WR.
Did anyone realize that Dallin Holker had more receptions, more yards, and more TD's than Bowers last year...?

[AFboltfan]

Nobody is looking at this practically or from the aspect of our new staff...

WR will not happen at 5 with Harbaugh or Horitz in charge.

Alt is too high @ #5 for a RT.

Bowers is the right player at the right time for what Harbaugh AND Horitz covets... Which is an impactful TE.

Some of you can slam his ability all you want but your opinion doesn't change the fact of his top ranking.

Sorry but the writing is on the wall for this one... Its plainly obvious.

[21&500]

Nobody is looking at this practically or from the aspect of our new staff...

WR will not happen at 5 with Harbaugh or Horitz in charge.

Alt is too high @ #5 for a RT.

Bowers is the right player at the right time for what Harbaugh AND Horitz covets... Which is an impactful TE.

Some of you can slam his ability all you want but your opinion doesn't change the fact of his top ranking.

Sorry but the writing is on the wall for this one... Its plainly obvious.

Zackly.
Even after we draft Bowers at 5, would anyone be shocked if we double dipped and drafted a blocking-TE on day 3?

[Fouts2herbert]

It was a joke. Take it easy.

I'm curious, though. Besides Brock Bowers being your top guy, why are you so against Joe Alt with the fifth overall pick? You do realize that several offensive tackles have switched from the left to the right after getting drafted, right?

And what makes you believe Pipkins will even be average after sucking the majority of what is currently his five-year career? Something tells me you'd be saying the same thing about Storm Norton or any of the other below-average (I'm being kind here) right tackles we've had over the last 15+ years if they were currently on the team. "We have a chance to draft Brock Bowers, the generational talent! Pipkins will be just fine at right tackle!" Sorry, I'm not buying it.

In any typical draft teams can find some of the better RTs in the 20-32 range of the first round or into the second round, why won't that happen for us in 2025?

It could. I have NEVER said we HAVE to draft a right tackle in the first round. Several times I have mentioned other possibilities with the fifth overall pick or by trading down. The three pass-rushers, Quinyon Mitchell, Kool-Aid, and others are intriguing options in a trade-down scenario. In any typical draft you can get a starting tight end after the first round, with many (Travis Kelce, Rob Gronkowski, Mark Andrews, George Kittle, Sam LaPorta) becoming All-Pros, so why is there this total distaste for taking Alt over Bowers if that is the route Harbaugh and Hortiz choose to take?

No Alt hate here, my not liking Alt at #5 has nothing to do with Alt or distaste or dislike for Alt for that matter, just think it's bad roster management this year considering everything else that needs to be addressed, shit, OT is not even in the top 5 on team needs, center, corner, tight end, interior defensive lineman, running back, and even edge are higher on the priority list right now...

I guess you guys guys that want Alt think he's the next Joe Thomas or someone of that caliber, to me, I don't even think he's the clear cut best tackle coming out in this draft which brings me to another point, if the goal you guys have is simply to take Alt because you want to replace Trey, then why not trade down in this OT rich draft and get a bunch of draft capital in the process and still upgrade RT? There are at least 5 tackles that compare favorably to Alt in this draft and some of those guys have strengths that Alt lacks and may never have...why spend the 5th overall on an OT in THIS draft? doesn't make any fucking sense to me unless you guys think he's the best OT you guys have seen in 10 years or some such shit, to me Alt is not that guy some people have compared him to Robert Gallery, I'm not going to go that far and I think he's better than that for sure, but I don't see the stupid comparisons to Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace, to me that shit is ridiculous, he's no Joe Thomas either...my comp for Alt is Taylor Lewan so I don't think Alt is a bad player, I would take Alt around picks 9-12 but I think the 5th pick is a bit rich for Alt especially in this draft with so many other options available at OT...

Now about Bowers, what other blue chip TE options are there in this draft? an offensive tackle I'm kind of high on is not really being talked about as much as some of the others but I think he might come out as one of the best in the bunch in the next few years and that's Kingsley Suamataia and I think he might be available at #37 but the combine always moves people around a bit, he reminds me of Sewell, I'm not saying he's as good but that's who I think about when I see his tape...

[Boltjolt]

I like McConkey at pick #37 as I believe he's a the real deal and and extreme value pick at that point in time. Bowers is not going to be this monster player everyone thinks at the NFL level...at least for the first year. Maybe he evolves but it's not going to be sudden juice.

He won't get the 90 receptions LaPorta got because we won't throw as much but he can be very productive and will no doubt start. He is a much bigger weapon with what he can do imo than LaPorta is.
I see Bowers way more involved in our offense than McConkey would.

But we'll see. I don't see a WR we draft being a huge part of this offense year one. Probably year 2 depending on when we draft one and I think Palmer is a FA after 2024.

I like McConkey. If he is there in round three I'd draft him but not round 2 with the holes we have.
But as I keep saying, let's see what we do with the roster before the draft.