2024 Chargers Draft Superthread - Prospect Discussion - Draft Has Started

[Boltjolt]

Yeah, Tackle or Bowers does make sense there. I have a gut feeling that Bowers is a Colt. I see a lot of vintage Dallas Clark in him, and he would be very good in that offense with the young Richardson at QB.
I would hate to see him with the JETE, Jets. They ruin a lot of talent.

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Richardson is one of those QBs that you never try and draft his WRs or TEs in fantasy football. Like Vick, Boller, Zach Wilson and Lamar.

They are always inconsistent and you never know when they will have a good game. I don't think much of Richardson.

[wu-dai clan]

So Sean Payton's Saints won the 2010 Super Bowl over Peyton Manning's high powered Colts.

A hallmark of that Saints team was their IOL.
It featured dominating monsters
Carl Nicks (6'5"/340#)--Jonathan Goodwin (6'4"/320#)--Jahri Evans (6'4"/320#)
Drew Brees used play action effectively, throwing to nondescript WRs.
Goodwin is a former UMich Wolverine and is currently a Chargers assistant coach !
RBs were Pierre Thomas /Reggie Bush.
We have Gus Edwards/JK Dobbins.

I believe here is our model for 2024 Charger success.

[Boltnut]

And for those that haven't watched the Hortiz presser...

Many are making his quote, "I anticipate 4 QB's going with the first 4 picks..." into something it is not.
He was asked a leading question about what IF the first 4 picks are QB's...?

Later he also said, "I anticipate 3 QB's going with the first 4 picks... I anticipate 2 QB's going with the first 4 picks... maybe anticipate is the wrong word...". Of course some of the reporters ran with the 1st quote... LOL!

[DerwinBosa]

So Sean Payton's Saints won the 2010 Super Bowl over Peyton Manning's high powered Colts.

A hallmark of that Saints team was their IOL.
It featured dominating monsters
Carl Nicks (6'5"/340#)--Jonathan Goodwin (6'4"/320#)--Jahri Evans (6'4"/320#)
Drew Brees used play action effectively, throwing to nondescript WRs.
Goodwin is a former UMich Wolverine and is currently a Chargers assistant coach !
RBs were Pierre Thomas /Reggie Bush.
We have Gus Edwards/JK Dobbins.

I believe here is our model for 2024 Charger success.

Nicks and Evans were a dominant duo at guard who didn't get recognized the way they should have. Darren Sproles had his best year running the ball behind them in 2011, which was the season after he left us. He had 609 rushing yards on 6.9 per carry.

Jonathan Goodwin was also the starting center for Harbaugh's 49ers from 2011 through 2013--when they went to three NFC Championship Games and a Super Bowl.

[Boltnut]

So Sean Payton's Saints won the 2010 Super Bowl over Peyton Manning's high powered Colts.

A hallmark of that Saints team was their IOL.
It featured dominating monsters
Carl Nicks (6'5"/340#)--Jonathan Goodwin (6'4"/320#)--Jahri Evans (6'4"/320#)
Drew Brees used play action effectively, throwing to nondescript WRs.
Goodwin is a former UMich Wolverine and is currently a Chargers assistant coach !
RBs were Pierre Thomas /Reggie Bush.
We have Gus Edwards/JK Dobbins.

I believe here is our model for 2024 Charger success.

We just assumed that since we had their OL coach (Nugent)... that we would instantly become the Saints OL.
But we forgot that talent had something to do with that Saints OL.
I think we're trying to convince ourselves of that now.

[Chargers8491]

I like this idea, I just think you are really over hyping Rice. I’m not sure he’s a #1 NFL receiver. If you added a Javon Baker or a Jermaine Burton in your draft and did away with Lloyd, i’d buy into this plan more.

Not really over hyping Rice. There are other WRs I like better just think he is good value in the 4th rnd with other players that are better in positions of need in rnd 2-3.

The other thing is I am not exactly sure what they are looking for in a WR meaning I don't know if they are looking for a pure X WR or a multi-role WR. Hortiz has stated that he likes multi-role WRs and Harbaugh has used nothing but multi-role WRs in Michigan.

[DerwinBosa]

Hello Derwin,
I will just say this again that people will be surprised at their thoughts on Nabers. Based on your statement, you would be one of them. I really like Odunze as well but they have him 3rd out of the 3. You are really selling low on Nabers skills and more importantly Nabers attitude toward football and willingness to be “vicious” on the field.

What you’re talking about when it comes to those 5 WR’s is a different discussion entirely and not the point of what I was sharing to Fleet. You’re focusing your attention on the other players that were drafted in and around those players in that draft (mostly the 2021 draft) and judging whether you think those picks were wasted based on your opinion of those others players. The problem with that exercise is you’re not taking into account how those teams were constructed at the time and what phase of their building process they were in. To say Parsons or Slater were better for the Eagles at that time without taking into consideration their roster construction is a hard argument my friend.

The point of why I posted the information was to show the odds are greatly stacked against you if you’re looking at getting a WR1 outside the Top-10. This is because it’s a Premium Position. If you really want to be technical, 2 or those 5 WR’s have already played a big role in their teams making a Super Bowl since they were drafted.

This is about the Premium position of WR1 versus just a WR. Not about the other Premium positions of (QB/Edge,LT,CB1).
Not trying to be rude with you so please don’t take it that way. You just can’t get more guaranteed on the hit rate than 100% though.

I think you're putting too much into how the five wide receivers who were drafted in the top ten since 2019 are very good or great. If there were more wide receivers drafted in the top ten, there would be more busts. There were three wide receivers selected in the 2017 NFL Draft--Corey Davis, Mike Williams, and John Ross. One was a complete bust. One has been very disappointing. One has been good but has never made a Pro Bowl.

You're certainly in the Malik Nabers fan club. I'm not. I think he is one of the most overhyped players in this draft. We'll see how it plays out.

As far as what the Eagles and Dolphins "team construction" was at the time, the Dolphins started Liam Eichenberg (a rookie drafted in the second round) at left tackle in 2021, and their group of pass-rushers was weak. They definitely could have used Slater or Parsons, just as most teams could. You put Parsons on the Eagles...forget it.

[richpjr]

And for those that haven't watched the Hortiz presser...

Many are making his quote, "I anticipate 4 QB's going with the first 4 picks..." into something it is not.
He was asked a leading question about what IF the first 4 picks are QB's...?

Later he also said, "I anticipate 3 QB's going with the first 4 picks... I anticipate 2 QB's going with the first 4 picks... maybe anticipate is the wrong word...". Of course some of the reporters ran with the 1st quote... LOL!

If there really are 4 QBs taken with the first 4 picks, I think we are "stuck" picking a player at 5. Just don't see anyone offering anything significant to go get a non-QB or overpaying for one of the second tier QBs.

[CanadianBoltFan]

I think you're putting too much into how the five wide receivers who were drafted in the top ten since 2019 are very good or great. If there were more wide receivers drafted in the top ten, there would be more busts. There were three wide receivers selected in the 2017 NFL Draft--Corey Davis, Mike Williams, and John Ross. One was a complete bust. One has been very disappointing. One has been good but has never made a Pro Bowl.

You're certainly in the Malik Nabers fan club. I'm not. I think he is one of the most overhyped players in this draft. We'll see how it plays out.

As far as what the Eagles and Dolphins "team construction" was at the time, the Dolphins started Liam Eichenberg (a rookie drafted in the second round) at left tackle in 2021, and their group of pass-rushers was weak. They definitely could have used Slater or Parsons, just as most teams could. You put Parsons on the Eagles...forget it.

We all have our guys we like and want and vice versa.

But I am curious why you think Nabers is one of the most over hyped players in the draft?? What is not to like?

He is explosive, great after the catch, runs a 4.35. Hype would be if there was no production but there production in spades with an outstanding 17.6 yards per catch.

89 receptions 1569 yards 14 TDs

Those are better numbers than Marvin Harrison

[Boltnut]

If there really are 4 QBs taken with the first 4 picks, I think we are "stuck" picking a player at 5. Just don't see anyone offering anything significant to go get a non-QB or overpaying for one of the second tier QBs.

If that is indeed the scenario (and I don't think it is) then the obvious pick @#4 will be the obvious pick @#5. I think most people believe that obvious pick is MHJ. He's probably the best player in the draft... QB or non-QB. Just my opinion. #1 players can command a price. If it's not enough... move on be glad the 4 teams in front of you handed you the #1.

In the end, the Cardinals will take MHJ... and be grateful that the 3 teams in from of them handed them #1. Oh, and WR just happens to be the Cards biggest need. They would be foolish to trade back to #11. They would be out of the running for the Big-3. And while they may dangle their newly acquired picks, what would be the point...?

If the Cards screwed me... I'd screw them right back. And I think Hortiz's latest comments have insinuated just that.

[DerwinBosa]

We all have our guys we like and want and vice versa.

But I am curious why you think Nabers is one of the most over hyped players in the draft?? What is not to like?

He is explosive, great after the catch, runs a 4.35. Hype would be if there was no production but there production in spades with an outstanding 17.6 yards per catch.

89 receptions 1569 yards 14 TDs

Those are better numbers than Marvin Harrison

Stats can be deceiving at the college level. In 2002, Charles Rogers caught 68 passes for 1,351 yards and 13 touchdowns at Michigan State. That same season Andre Johnson had 52 receptions for 1,052 yards and nine touchdowns for Miami. Rogers ran a 4.4 at 6-2, 202 pounds. Rogers went second overall in the 2003 NFL Draft, one spot ahead of Johnson. Rogers ended up being one of the biggest busts in NFL history. Johnson was just voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame (well overdue). Anquan Boldin went in the second round of that same draft, after running a 4.71 at the Combine. There are stories like this all over the place.

As far as Nabers goes, this quote from an anonymous scout sums up how I feel about him:

“He is what he is right now,” said a sixth scout. “He’s topped out. Against the Alabama corners his production all came against zone coverage over the middle. When he was manned up he struggled. But he has straight dog in him once he catches the ball.”

People have made too much of that performance against Alabama. He also struggled against Florida State's Renardo Green, who's projected to go in the third round of this draft. What's he going to do against Patrick Surtain, Sauce Gardner, and the other top corners in the NFL? He also doesn't seem to be the type of player who fits in Harbaugh's system--schematically or personality-wise.

As I said earlier, we'll see how it goes.

[powderblueboy]

And for those that haven't watched the Hortiz presser...

Many are making his quote, "I anticipate 4 QB's going with the first 4 picks..." into something it is not.
He was asked a leading question about what IF the first 4 picks are QB's...?

Later he also said, "I anticipate 3 QB's going with the first 4 picks... I anticipate 2 QB's going with the first 4 picks... maybe anticipate is the wrong word...". Of course some of the reporters ran with the 1st quote... LOL!

This makes zero sense ..... was Hortiz drugged?