And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Critty]

Sorry man but that is OLD SCHOOL THINKING

Just get some weapons anywhere...

How is that working for KC right now? How did that work for Miami before Hill? For all the Burrow talk...he sucked his rookie year, Higgins drafted same year, and then Chase shows up. Allen was meh and then Diggs showed up.

If you don't have ACTUAL explosive speed SOMEWHERE on your offense the defense can squeeze the field and make your QB have to be perfect all the time. Even the most accurate QBs will fail eventually. This is what has happened to Herbert since he arrived.


Everyone needs to go back and watch the final regular-season Raiders game in 2021. Herbert made MORE THAN ENOUGH winning plays. If we had a WR with any explosion/REAL athletic ability they would have taken a few of those to the House. Instead, people think Keenan and Mike Williams were "elite". You need ACTUAL game changers. Not possession guys and/or contested catch guys who can't separate.


It's Nabers or Bowers for me or a wasted pick.

Your new school think will not work.
KC dumped Hill and invested in OL and won the Superbowl without him. Case closed.
Did Hill help Miami win yesterday?

The line of scrimmage teams are winning. You can say Diggs all you want. But Diggs has 3 TDs in last 11 and hasn't topped 100 yds in 12 weeks.

Bills just won 5 straight to claim #2 seed.
Diggs zero TDs. Yards each game. 24, 48, 29, 26, 87.

The Bills have the 4th rank Defense in points allowed.
And in those 5 straight wins the most points the gave up was 22 to the Bolts.

The game hasn't changed. Line of Scrimmage and defense wins games. Add a franchise QB to that recipe and you can win Superbowls.

And we can look at 49ers with or without Left Tackle Williams, completely different team, more so than if they didn't have a WR, TE or RB. Their LT is their most important player on offense. Even more so than their QB. They don't win much without him.

The best records 49ers and Ravens are teams that are great at line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

Wow. You fans really love the Chargering.
Shinny Toys and no meaningful wins.
It's Like Tom Telesco is still overseeing the roster construction. Lord help us.

[Kellyb72601]

Knowing Harbaugh I believe he would take Bowers without thinking twice. He runs a TE centric offense, wants to play with power, wants to use play action, get people on the move in the short area & set up occasional shots - Bowers is such a weapon at all areas of the field and is such an explosive runner after the catch he fits what Harbaugh wants to do perfectly. Also Suckbert doesn't properly utilize outside receivers anyway. Bowers is just too much of a scheme fit IMO.

Bowers is a running back in a tight ends body with wide receiver hands. He can accelerate just like a running back. There hasn't been another tight end like him in the NFL that I can recall.

[Critty]

I've been a fan for 45 years. Sorry man what weapons? LT has been the only actual can take it to the house from anywhere weapon this team has had since after Air Coreyell days. Gates wasn't taking a slant 80 yards.

What weapons are you talking about? Legadoio Nannee? GTFO.

The Chargers "weapons" have been massively overrated for years.


Also we've drafted a QB, LT, and a guard in the first round 3 straight years. No super bowls there either.

We had Jamal, Seau, Harrison. 3 levels of HALL OF FAME players on defense....and they were a part of the 4-12 season that had us draft Rivers.


There is no secret formula. But in today's NFL you better have some actual speed that changes things, and that isn't going to be found signing someone else's leftovers.

Wake me up when we have 3 hall of fame Offensive Lineman on the same team. Because that when we will win the Superbowl.

[Critty]

I don't want to move Slater to guard. LOL. He was projected by many so-called experts to be a guard in the NFL because of his short arms. If you draft one of the left tackles with the fifth pick I think it should be with the intent to have him play on the right side and leave Slater where he is. I'm not sure either Alt or Fashanu can make that switch, though. So, if you draft either of them and he can't make a smooth transition to the right side, that means you have to either move Slater and let the rookie start at left tackle--or have the rookie struggle on the right side or ride the bench behind Pipkins or someone else. If you ask Slater to move to guard or right tackle, you're likely creating a problem as contract extension talks begin with him and his agent.

Slater played 26 games at right tackle in college then moved over to left side. He can go back to the right side. Joe Alt is the franchise left tackle.

[Lone Bolt]

Wake me up when we have 3 hall of fame Offensive Lineman on the same team. Because that when we will win the Superbowl.

Enjoy the nap, Rip Van Winkle...lol

[DerwinBosa]

Slater played 26 games at right tackle in college then moved over to left side. He can go back to the right side. Joe Alt is the franchise left tackle.

That's easy to say, harder to do, especially while he and his agent begin contract extension talks.

[BigBad]

Forced missed tackles from Marvin Harrison Jr, Rome Odunze and Brian Thomas combined: 29
Forced missed tackles from Malik Nabers alone: 30

We don't need that kind of help for Herbert. Let's just draft a tackle.

[BigBad]

Your new school think will not work.
KC dumped Hill and invested in OL and won the Superbowl without him. Case closed.
Did Hill help Miami win yesterday?

The line of scrimmage teams are winning. You can say Diggs all you want. But Diggs has 3 TDs in last 11 and hasn't topped 100 yds in 12 weeks.

Bills just won 5 straight to claim #2 seed.
Diggs zero TDs. Yards each game. 24, 48, 29, 26, 87.

The Bills have the 4th rank Defense in points allowed.
And in those 5 straight wins the most points the gave up was 22 to the Bolts.

The game hasn't changed. Line of Scrimmage and defense wins games. Add a franchise QB to that recipe and you can win Superbowls.

And we can look at 49ers with or without Left Tackle Williams, completely different team, more so than if they didn't have a WR, TE or RB. Their LT is their most important player on offense. Even more so than their QB. They don't win much without him.

The best records 49ers and Ravens are teams that are great at line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

Wow. You fans really love the Chargering.
Shinny Toys and no meaningful wins.
It's Like Tom Telesco is still overseeing the roster construction. Lord help us.

I love how no mention of Bengals and Burrow.

They could have drafted Sewell instead of CHase....and they'd never have made a super bowl.

Their line is below average and won games with their backup. I wonder how.

[DerwinBosa]

Sorry man but that is OLD SCHOOL THINKING

Just get some weapons anywhere...

How is that working for KC right now? How did that work for Miami before Hill? For all the Burrow talk...he sucked his rookie year, Higgins drafted same year, and then Chase shows up. Allen was meh and then Diggs showed up.

If you don't have ACTUAL explosive speed SOMEWHERE on your offense the defense can squeeze the field and make your QB have to be perfect all the time. Even the most accurate QBs will fail eventually. This is what has happened to Herbert since he arrived.


Everyone needs to go back and watch the final regular-season Raiders game in 2021. Herbert made MORE THAN ENOUGH winning plays. If we had a WR with any explosion/REAL athletic ability they would have taken a few of those to the House. Instead, people think Keenan and Mike Williams were "elite". You need ACTUAL game changers. Not possession guys and/or contested catch guys who can't separate.


It's Nabers or Bowers for me or a wasted pick.

The Lions drafted Penei Sewell in the top 10 in 2021 and put him at right tackle because they already had Taylor Decker, another first-round pick, on the left side. They also used their top five pick in 2022 on Aidan Hutchinson, a defensive end. Their one first-round pick at wide receiver, Jameson Williams, just finished with 24 receptions in 12 games this season. Their leading receiver, Amon-Ra St. Brown, was drafted in the fourth round. He finished this season with 112 receptions for 1,371 yards and nine touchdowns. They used their first-round picks last year on a running back and linebacker before taking Sam LaPorta in the second round. The Lions are the second seed in the NFC. Imagine what they would be doing with Justin Herbert at quarterback.

The 49ers current regime has never used a top ten pick on a wide receiver. The highest pick they've used on a wide receiver was on Brandon Aiyuk, with the 25th overall selection. They got Deebo Samuel in the second round and George Kittle in the fifth. They currently have three of the team's own first-round picks on the defensive line (Nick Bosa, Arik Armstead, Javon Kinlaw) and two other first-round picks (top five) by other teams that they acquired (Chase Young, Clelin Ferrell).

Call it old school thinking all you want, but these are the #1 and #2 seeds in the NFC playoffs while the Dolphins are struggling after losing Jaelan Phillips and Bradley Chubb to injury.

[BigBad]

The Lions drafted Penei Sewell in the top 10 in 2021 and put him at right tackle because they already had Taylor Decker, another first-round pick, on the left side. They also used their top five pick in 2022 on Aidan Hutchinson, a defensive end. Their one first-round pick at wide receiver, Jameson Williams, just finished with 24 receptions in 12 games this season. Their leading receiver, Amon-Ra St. Brown, was drafted in the fourth round. He finished this season with 112 receptions for 1,371 yards and nine touchdowns. They used their first-round picks last year on a running back and linebacker before taking Sam LaPorta in the second round. The Lions are the second seed in the NFC. Imagine what they would be doing with Justin Herbert at quarterback..

So you believe you can ALWAYS find weapons in late rounds? Why doesn't every team do that? Why can't you find great linemen in late rounds?

Because the draft is a total crap shoot. SOme team has a little success and people think some magic blueprint now exits. IT DOESNT

The thing that consistently wins is have the most freak athletes so when you get a chance to actually draft one you do it.

If that happens to be a freak lineman like Sewell fine.

[jamrock]

Your new school think will not work.
KC dumped Hill and invested in OL and won the Superbowl without him. Case closed.
Did Hill help Miami win yesterday?

The line of scrimmage teams are winning. You can say Diggs all you want. But Diggs has 3 TDs in last 11 and hasn't topped 100 yds in 12 weeks.

Bills just won 5 straight to claim #2 seed.
Diggs zero TDs. Yards each game. 24, 48, 29, 26, 87.

The Bills have the 4th rank Defense in points allowed.
And in those 5 straight wins the most points the gave up was 22 to the Bolts.

The game hasn't changed. Line of Scrimmage and defense wins games. Add a franchise QB to that recipe and you can win Superbowls.

And we can look at 49ers with or without Left Tackle Williams, completely different team, more so than if they didn't have a WR, TE or RB. Their LT is their most important player on offense. Even more so than their QB. They don't win much without him.

The best records 49ers and Ravens are teams that are great at line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.

Wow. You fans really love the Chargering.
Shinny Toys and no meaningful wins.
It's Like Tom Telesco is still overseeing the roster construction. Lord help us.

It’s not an either or proposition. They need weapons and they need better OL play. But they’ve spent #1’s in 2 of the last 3 drafts on OL. IMO, they need a better OL coach who can get the most out of them. Good OL players can be found in late rounds. The vaunted Patriots run featured great OL play but not a bunch of first rounders. They found guys in later rounds and coached them up. It’s not a skill position. Game breaking skill guys are fewer and farther between.

[Critty]

I love how no mention of Bengals and Burrow.

They could have drafted Sewell instead of CHase....and they'd never have made a super bowl.

Their line is below average and won games with their backup. I wonder how.

You don't know that. Burrow drops dimes.
I think Burrow is great and so is Chase.
But there is no reason to think Bengals with Sewell couldn't have done the same. One of the biggest reason they struggle is they cannot protect Joey well enough.

They lost is Superbowl when he got sacked. If they had Sewell maybe he make Donald work a bit harder and Burrow has time to drop a dime. But OL could not block it when it matter most and all those weapons are as good as you or me sitting on the coach at that point.

Sewell is currently ranked one of the best OL in the league.
The Lions did a back flip when he was passed on.
Lions won their division.

I would be okay if MH2 was there at #5 and they drafted him.
I just don't think he will be there. So drafting the OT makes most sense to me. Team is below average up front for decades. But they have had plenty of weapons over that time and nothing special happened.