And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Critty]

So you believe you can ALWAYS find weapons in late rounds? Why doesn't every team do that? Why can't you find great linemen in late rounds?

Because the draft is a total crap shoot. SOme team has a little success and people think some magic blueprint now exits. IT DOESNT

The thing that consistently wins is have the most freak athletes so when you get a chance to actually draft one you do it.

If that happens to be a freak lineman like Sewell fine.

Does it matter that the best OL Chargers have had in a decade was the first Rd pick Slater-OT. But the best RB was not the first Rd pick Gordon but was UDFA Ekeler and best WR is not first Rd pick Williams or QJ but 3rd Rd pick Allen.

SO let's ignore that and demand more skill while the franchise QB is on IR because they cannot protect him.

Come on Man!!

Herbert about to be Rivers 2.0 if they load up on WR, TE, RB and tey to get by with JAGs at line of scrimmage that don't give him clean pocket.

[DerwinBosa]

They do need weapons.

Weapons can be found anywhere. Tyreek was a 5th Rd pick. Gates was UDFA. Allen was a 3rd Rd pick. Sproles was a 5th Rd pick. Ekeler a UDFA. How about Puka this year. RBs, TEs, WRs are everywhere to be found.

I don't think you find nearly as many great OL mid to later in drafts or UDFA. You got to spend premium picks for the dominate line of scrimmage players. That how I see it.

QJ, Palmer, Davis, Allen, and any free agent weapon they add. they will have players to get the ball to. Will they be able to run. Can the give Herbert a consistent clean pocket. Not if they trot out JAGs at RT and OC. Opponent will just game plan to attack those weak links. Put beat Edge on Pipkins side and then threaten blitz up the gut. And Justin is going to panic to get the ball out because he won't trust them. And probably doesn't want to get his ribs cracked again. Im not into watching that shit show anymore. I've seen it for decades.

I want them to dominate in the trenches and make the opponent quit. So that come 4th quarter, the ground game can march to victory formation.

You pass to score points and you run the ball to win.

I agree. I've been wanting that since Marty Schottenheimer was fired and A.J. and Norv let both sides of the line deteriorate. The problem is I don't know if we can fix the offensive line by drafting Alt or Fashanu, because I don't know if they can play right tackle, and I doubt Rashawn Slater will want to change positions.

[DerwinBosa]

Don't pull a Polamalu and trade down for Sammy Davis and Terrence Kiel.

Unless someone is throwing multiple #1s at us...I sit tight and take Bowers or MH Jr if he happens to be there.

Hell, I would even take Bowers over the #2 WR.

Don't overthink this or try to get cute and get an extra third rounder. Take the stud, culture change player and don't look back.

Yes, we have multiple needs and likely will need a couple offseasons to address them all.

That's one example. The trade down from first to fifth worked out just fine when we ended up with LaDainian Tomlinson instead of sitting at #1 and taking Michael Vick.

[21&500]

I just think the offense needs SPEED. The field is condensed because defenses have ZERO fear of the Chargers beating them with explosive plays. Even a healthy Mike Williams rarely beats guys with speed.


I really think the reason through two coordinators the offense struggled in the 2nd half was the lack of speed. I think teams watched film and had a natural fear of Herberts arm so they stay relatively deep. Then the game comes and the defense sees how slow the CHargers are, EVEN HEALTHY. They adjust at halftime and condense the field and make Herbert be perfect with his accuracy. THrow in the lack of a run game and it was good night.

I was the Baltimore game and Herb looks miserable.
I could see him process the field quickly and have no choice but to make dating throws into double coverage to get something going.
we need speed and explosiveness asap.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Knowing Harbaugh I believe he would take Bowers without thinking twice. He runs a TE centric offense, wants to play with power, wants to use play action, get people on the move in the short area & set up occasional shots - Bowers is such a weapon at all areas of the field and is such an explosive runner after the catch he fits what Harbaugh wants to do perfectly. Also Suckbert doesn't properly utilize outside receivers anyway. Bowers is just too much of a scheme fit IMO.

Bowers is a running back in a tight ends body with wide receiver hands. He can accelerate just like a running back. There hasn't been another tight end like him in the NFL that I can recall.

Someone here also said that Harbaugh knows Bowers well, tried to recruit him to Michigan

[Critty]

Burrow is the most overrated QB in the history of football. He had the most talented college team maybe ever but gets all the credit. He has really really bad pocket presence and a TON of sacks are on him. He loves doing an awful spin move thinking he is Lamar. And like everything with Burrow he NEVER gets blamed and the line gets all of it. I live in Ohio and have watched every game because they are usually the game before the Chargers locally. THe Bengals have a much better roster than people think the last few years. And I was proven correct when Burrow went down and the backup QB competed big time. Easier to do with Chase, Higgins, etc.

SInce CHase arrived he reads every play based on if CHase is doubled or not. I'll have to find the breakdown someone did on that

LOL. Wow.
That's an opinion. I don't agree with it.

Chase missed 5 games last year.
They won 12 games and went to AFC title game.

Chase missed 1 game this year. They missed playoffs.

Meanwhile a healthy Burrow went to SB and Conference Title game. But this year and rookie year Burrow went to IR. And the Bengals missed playoffs.

It could not be more clear. Burrow healthy is more wins, playoff wins and deep run to title game and SB. Burrow not healthy and there are no playoffs. Chase is heathy all year why isnt he leading them to the promise land with back up.

Burrow is that dude. They can trade Chase like KC did with Hill, invest in OL and go back to Superbowl. They cannot trade Burrow, play Browning at QB and add weapons to go along with Chase and do anything special. Ain't happening.

[Critty]

I agree. I've been wanting that since Marty Schottenheimer was fired and A.J. and Norv let both sides of the line deteriorate. The problem is I don't know if we can fix the offensive line by drafting Alt or Fashanu, because I don't know if they can play right tackle, and I doubt Rashawn Slater will want to change positions.

Slater doesn't get to have a say. They draft the LT. Put Slater at RT and go win games. They then take the 5th year option and then work on a long term deal to keep him at RT. I don't he will say, no I don't want to win games with Harbaugh and Herbert. I'm going to pout because I'm paying right side again like in college and I'm not getting franchise left tackle money. You offering me a great deal for a RT. Screw you Chargers, trade me. He doesn't seem like that type of player at all. He will buy in and do his job well. That what I think he will do if asked to do it. And if not then trade him for a weapon. LoL

[BigBad]

Burrow is that dude. They can trade Chase like KC did with Hill, invest in OL and go back to Superbowl. They cannot trade Burrow, play Browning at QB and add weapons to go along with Chase and do anything special. Ain't happening.

Go look at the Super Bowl run....Burrow did NOTHING special....absolutely NOTHING. THeir defense got an insane amount of turnovers and held Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce to THREE second-half points in the AFCC.

This thinking is why you think Herbert with 5 seconds to throw will magically make the team better. You are wrong.

CHargers - sack sack 5 yard to Keenan - WOW keenan is great!
Bengals - sack sack EXPLOSIVE PLAY/TD to chase or Higgins

see the difference?

[Bolt4Knob]

That's one example. The trade down from first to fifth worked out just fine when we ended up with LaDainian Tomlinson instead of sitting at #1 and taking Michael Vick.

I truly wonder if the Spanii blocked Telesco from making trades based on that one Polamalu trade though like you mention, Tomlinson worked out well as did Rivers

[Critty]

Go look at the Super Bowl run....Burrow did NOTHING special....absolutely NOTHING. THeir defense got an insane amount of turnovers and held Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce to THREE second-half points in the AFCC.

This thinking is why you think Herbert with 5 seconds to throw will magically make the team better. You are wrong.

CHargers - sack sack 5 yard to Keenan - WOW keenan is great!
Bengals - sack sack EXPLOSIVE PLAY/TD to chase or Higgins

see the difference?

I see that neither team is doing jack squat if they don't have their franchise QB healthy. And adding weapons will not keep the QB healthy.

You think adding weapons will magically keep Herbert protected and off IR. LOL.

Most important 49er on offense is K.Williams the LT.
Ask Kyle Shanahan.

[CanadianBoltFan]

They do need weapons.

Weapons can be found anywhere. Tyreek was a 5th Rd pick. Gates was UDFA. Allen was a 3rd Rd pick. Sproles was a 5th Rd pick. Ekeler a UDFA. How about Puka this year. RBs, TEs, WRs are everywhere to be found.

I don't think you find nearly as many great OL mid to later in drafts or UDFA. You got to spend premium picks for the dominate line of scrimmage players. That how I see it.

QJ, Palmer, Davis, Allen, and any free agent weapon they add. they will have players to get the ball to. Will they be able to run. Can the give Herbert a consistent clean pocket. Not if they trot out JAGs at RT and OC. Opponent will just game plan to attack those weak links. Put beat Edge on Pipkins side and then threaten blitz up the gut. And Justin is going to panic to get the ball out because he won't trust them. And probably doesn't want to get his ribs cracked again. Im not into watching that shit show anymore. I've seen it for decades.

I want them to dominate in the trenches and make the opponent quit. So that come 4th quarter, the ground game can march to victory formation.

You pass to score points and you run the ball to win.

We have spent 2 of our last 3 first round picks on the o line

[BigBad]

I see that neither team is doing jack squat if they don't have their franchise QB healthy. And adding weapons will not keep the QB healthy.

You think adding weapons will magically keep Herbert protected and off IR. LOL.

Most important 49er on offense is K.Williams the LT.
Ask Kyle Shanahan.

You said Rivers 2.0 and Rivers never missed a game...LOL Pocket presence and scheme cover for average lines. Funny how Drew Bledsoe took a million sacks and then Brady shows up and wins. Great pocket presence makes lines look better and avoids injury. Herbert has that! What he doesn't have is someone to take the ball to the house.