And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[CanadianBoltFan]

Yes, because they didn't draft or sign an elite offensive tackle, cornerback, or pass-rusher who is on Travis Kelce's level. I guarantee they would rather have an all-time great offensive tackle, pass-rusher, or cornerback than an all-time great tight end, though.

I think they are just fine with Travis Kelce and their ongoing dynasty of 6 straught AFC Finals and 4 of the last 5 SBs.

[CanadianBoltFan]

If you want Kittle for #5, offer the 49ers the pick for Kittle then. They will say "yes" faster than you can blink and the Chargers would get laughed at by everyone for not maximizing the value of the pick.

BTW I said the floor is Kittle

[DerwinBosa]

A bit early to write off 23 year old Pitts. He is younger than some prospects in this draft. Lets give him a real coach and real QB before we close this chapter. The one year he had Matt Ryan he had 1000 yards...as a rookie.

Nobody is writing him off. But most people in front offices wouldn't draft him over Penei Sewell or Micah Parsons even if Pitts turns into an All-Pro tight end.

[DerwinBosa]

I think they are just fine with Travis Kelce and their ongoing dynasty of 6 straught AFC Finals and 4 of the last 5 SBs.

They weren't fine at all in the Super Bowl against the Buccaneers, when Mahomes had absolutely no protection. They were an absolute disaster. Mahomes had one of the worst performances in Super Bowl history.

[CanadianBoltFan]

If you can guarantee Kelce, no. However you are not guaranteed an upper echelon HoFer (at his position) in any draft pick. While Bowers could be Kelce, that is a best case scenario. Most likely he isn't and instead will be a top 12 TE in the league. The #5 pick right now you could trade straight up for any TE (even probably LaPorta) in the league. It's crazy to pick a guy (Bowers) and expect him from day #1 to be the most valuable player at his position in the league.

Do you draft ANY player from a draft and expect him be MVP of his position in the NFL as a rookie?

How do you know how much impact a guy like Bowers can make? When I think back to the great Charger teams of the 2000s, no one made a bigger difference than LT and GATES....sure there were some good OL...Hardwick, Dielman, McNeill rtc...but none of them will be joining Antonio when he is a first ballot Hall of Famer this summer.

[CanadianBoltFan]

That is probably true... although there are some mocks (experts) that would disagree with you.
I would probably go OT @#5. But my opinion of this class' DE's and CB's are different from yours.

I suspect Jim Harbaugh has different views also. While with the 49ers, they selected Aldon Smith @#7.
He had 14.5 sacks over his last 2 years @Mizzou. Both Dallas Turner's and Latu Laiatu's numbers are comparable or better.

I suspect Horitz values secondary and OT more than you do as well.
The Ravens don't have to draft @#5 very often. But @#6 they drafted Ronnie Stanley. @#16 they drafted Marlon Humphrey. @#14 they drafted Kyle Hamilton. There are draft tendencies and general philosophies that must be considered.

I value OT, but we need a RIGHT tackle....given this draft is absolutely stacked at tackle, I see no need to take one at 5. You want to trade down for tackle that can play the right side, fine with me, but get the extra picks.

[BigBad]

Oh bullshit.

If low man wins at what height is there serious diminishing returns? 6’8 is up there and needs serious strength/power to offset it.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Hard to say. In retrospect. Kelce was drafted in 2013 by KC. Since then they've been in 3 SBs, W 2- L1 in the last few years. 10Ws would have been better, albeit extremely unlikely.
I doubt they would willingly take those Lombardi's off the shelf for maybes.

Starting with a clean slate to build a team it's widely considered most important, No 1 QB, 2 OLT, 3 Edge.
Since we're picking and have very good ones already, a great TE can reasonably enter the conversation. It will be up to our GM, HC & staff re talent and fit on their projected 2024 Chargers roster. TE is a team need, among others.
I like Bowers' talent / need fit. I think the LAC draft team takes Bowers, a WR or trade down.

I am with you on all your points. I am also fine with drafting TE, WR, or trade down for a tackle, CB

[CanadianBoltFan]

They weren't fine at all in the Super Bowl against the Buccaneers, when Mahomes had absolutely no protection. They were an absolute disaster. Mahomes had one of the worst performances in Super Bowl history.

wow they lost one Super Bowl....while 30 other teams sat at home. Now they are back for thier 4th in 5 years

[bman6555]

BTW I said the floor is Kittle

That's a crazy high prognostication as the floor. PFF had Kittle as the #1 TE last year. Even if you ignore that you're pretty much saying he is guaranteed to be a top 5 player at his position which is all hope and not realistic as it doesn't account for real risks that he busts or gets injured.

Look at Chase Young, he was set as an elite defender pre-draft and some were saying if you removed position her was a better prospect than Burrow.

[DerwinBosa]

Hard to say. In retrospect. Kelce was drafted in 2013 by KC. Since then they've been in 3 SBs, W 2- L1 in the last few years. 10Ws would have been better, albeit extremely unlikely.
I doubt they would willingly take those Lombardi's off the shelf for maybes.

Starting with a clean slate to build a team it's widely considered most important, No 1 QB, 2 OLT, 3 Edge.
Since we're picking and have very good ones already, a great TE can reasonably enter the conversation. It will be up to our GM, HC & staff re talent and fit on their projected 2024 Chargers roster. TE is a team need, among others.
I like Bowers' talent / need fit. I think the LAC draft team takes Bowers, a WR or trade down.

We don't have a good right tackle. We haven't had one for over 15 years. Jeromey Clary, D.J. Fluker, Joe Barksdale, Sam Tevi, Storm Norton, and Trey Pipkins. Enough is enough. I don't care who it is, or how it's done. Get us a REAL right tackle. If Joe Alt is that guy, take him. If it's a trade down for Taliese Fuaga, I'm all for it.

Joey Bosa and Khalil Mack may not be on the team this season. We need more than one good pass-rusher. I don't think any teams around the NFL will ever fear Tuli anywhere close to the way they do Parsons, T.J. Watt, or Nick Bosa. We don't have that elite pass-rusher for the future. If Latu, Verse, or Turner is that guy, take him.

[DerwinBosa]

wow they lost one Super Bowl....while 30 other teams sat at home. Now they are back for thier 4th in 5 years

Yeah, after they spent tons of money rebuilding their offensive line, which included trading a first-round pick for Orlando Brown, after that disaster in the Super Bowl against the Bucs. Think they would have done anything close to that if they didn't fix the offensive line after the Bucs trashed them in the Super Bowl?