And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[CanadianBoltFan]

If not Bowers -- and there is a QB at 5 the Vikings like
trade from 5 to 11 with the Vikings - possibly missing out on Bowers, Odunze and Nabers
But you would get MN 1, 2 and 4th - the second one
for Chargers 5th pick in Round 1

Chargers could get RT and 6 picks in Rounds 1-4
I just might give up Bowers for that. Missing out on Nabers and Odunze - I am good with that. Missing out on Bowers - I would need a lot!

With you 100%

I will go along with missing out on Bowers and Nabers, but ony with extra draft capital, not for Joe Alt at 5

[wu-dai clan]

If low man wins at what height is there serious diminishing returns? 6’8 is up there and needs serious strength/power to offset it.

Theo watched one game, Ohio State, before saying this.
Let's see.
Each prospect brings their own skill set into the NFL.
The question is effectiveness.
So now I ask, how are there big holes on running plays when Alt blocks ?
The answer is that he uses his best tool, long powerful arms.
The same tool he uses on passing plays.
There has been major improvement in Alt's game in 2023,
by him finally putting his power to work.
Now another question.
How did Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden survive in the NFL ?
The answer is they took full advantage of those skills they did possess.
Pace #1 Overall. 6' 7"
Ogden #4 Overall. 6' 9"
Alt Near Consensus Top 5 Overall. 6' 8"

[northerner]

Very true statement. We know nothing til we see what happens with our current players and if we sign a couple FAs.

Not like he didn't have good WRs

Harbaugh had Anquon Boldin on the Niners when he was the coach for a couple years anyways. (2013-2014)
He is far better than Crabtree and lead the team in receptions and yards those years. His last season there he also had WRs Stevie Johnson and rookie Brandon Lloyd.

Crabtree - you are bringing back memories with that name. I am a chargers fan who has lived in the bay area (SF/Oakland/San Jose) my whole life. The local angst with Crabtree lasted for years. he was the #10 pick in the first round (2009) who frustrated the 49er fan base for years by never living up to that expected potential.

Similar to the QJ frustration this season, but at pick #10 it was even worse. Note: I think QJ is going to do better in 2024 (fingers crossed).

[Fouts2herbert]

If you want to talk trade down for picks in the first and take a lineman, how about down to the 20s range for the best center in the draft Johnson-Powers. A big nasty 334 lb stud at the postision on the OL we actually do need the most. Anchor the line for years. I would rather get the C, and a bounty of draft picks than take a RT to compete with Pipkins at 5.

where in the 20s? I don't know about trading that far down, I'd rather have one of the top corners at around 9-11 than go get a center in the 20s especially when we can still go get SVP or Frazier with pick #37 in the 2nd round

the more I look at this draft I think the bet value for what this team needs is to trade down in the 8-11 range and draft the best corner left on the board, then center second, then IDL or TE in the third...

let's see what the chargers do in FA first...I know the cap situation looks bad but just by cutting 3 guys, renegotiation 2 guys, and extending 1...just that will get the chargers to compliance then they can take their time trading either Bosa or Mack or potentially renegotiating Mack and trading Bosa which would give them around 35 million to go looking for some FAs...will they consider bringing back Hunter Henry, will they go after some of the Raven free agents? madabuike, queen, etc...we'll have a clearer picture of what they'll want to do in the draft once the first wave of free agency is over...

this is exciting, it's going to be a fun offseason for sure, and tons of shit to talk about and argue about

[BigBad]

Theo watched one game, Ohio State, before saying this.
Let's see.
Each prospect brings their own skill set into the NFL.
The question is effectiveness.
So now I ask, how are there big holes on running plays when Alt blocks ?
The answer is that he uses his best tool, long powerful arms.
The same tool he uses on passing plays.
There has been major improvement in Alt's game in 2023,
by him finally putting his power to work.
Now another question.
How did Orlando Pace and Jonathan Ogden survive in the NFL ?
The answer is they took full advantage of those skills they did possess.
Pace #1 Overall. 6' 7"
Ogden #4 Overall. 6' 9"
Alt Near Consensus Top 5 Overall. 6' 8"

What is crazy is the kid is only turning 21 this month. So pretty good assumption he's going to add some strength and get better.

[wu-dai clan]

Duke followed up by stating there would be ample time for Alt to learn and transition.

As BJolt pointed out, Lane Johnson was drafted very early.
Bookends in the persons of Slater and Alt would protect Herbeet and elevate the running game both.
Opponents with qualitt bookends would be much happier to see Slater and Pipkins over Slater and Alt.
Pipkins would be depth at Swing Tackle.
Bite the bullet on that contract.

[DerwinBosa]

Very true statement. We know nothing til we see what happens with our current players and if we sign a couple FAs.

Not like he didn't have good WRs

Harbaugh had Anquon Boldin on the Niners when he was the coach for a couple years anyways. (2013-2014)
He is far better than Crabtree and lead the team in receptions and yards those years. His last season there he also had WRs Stevie Johnson and rookie Brandon Lloyd.

In 2012 he had Randy Moss for 1 year. Also in 2012 their first 2 picks were busts. 1st rounder AJ Jenkins (wr) and 2nd rounder LaMichael James (RB) and only 190 lbs. Great college RB. Bust in the NFL.

JH did not do the drafting. He didn't have as much freedom there as he will here working with Hortiz.

As for OL, in those 4 years with the Niners, they drafted no high pick OL. The highest OL they drafted was a OC in round 3.

And when talking to Cowherd he will let Hortiz do the drafting though he said of course he will collaborate with him but that is Hortiz thing, and coaching is Harbaughs.

Batman time if Hortiz eight now and Harbaugh is Robin. When TC camps, that flips.

It's what he said anyways.

They had some good picks but I hope Hortiz is better than Baalke was.

Boldin and Moss were at the end of their careers when Harbaugh got them. Crabtree was Harbaugh's leading receiver in 2011 and 2012. He played only five games in 2013. Crabtree in college produced stats that make Nabers' look ordinary. He had 134 receptions for 1,962 yards and 22 touchdowns as a freshman and then 97 receptions for 1,165 yards and 19 touchdowns the next season. If he were in this draft now he'd probably be a lot of this forum's members' top target. They would be calling him the ultimate weapon Herbert needs.

Brandon Lloyd was not a rookie with Harbaugh. He was drafted by the 49ers in 2003, bounced around the NFL, and then spent his last season with the 49ers in 2014.

When Harbaugh got to the 49ers they had Joe Staley at left tackle (2007 first-round pick), Anthony Davis at right tackle (2010 first-round pick), and Mike Iupati at left guard (2010 first-round pick). With Staley and Iupati becoming All-Pros under Harbaugh, and Davis being a recent first-round pick who was the starter at right tackle, they didn't exactly have a need to spend a high selection on an offensive lineman when Harbaugh was there.

[Boltjolt]

Boldin and Moss were at the end of their careers when Harbaugh got them. Crabtree was Harbaugh's leading receiver in 2011 and 2012. He played only five games in 2013. Crabtree in college produced stats that make Nabers' look ordinary. He had 134 receptions for 1,962 yards and 22 touchdowns as a freshman and then 97 receptions for 1,165 yards and 19 touchdowns the next season. If he were in this draft now he'd probably be a lot of this forum's members' top target. They would be calling him the ultimate weapon Herbert needs.

Brandon Lloyd was not a rookie with Harbaugh. He was drafted by the 49ers in 2003, bounced around the NFL, and then spent his last season with the 49ers in 2014.

When Harbaugh got to the 49ers they had Joe Staley at left tackle (2007 first-round pick), Anthony Davis at right tackle (2010 first-round pick), and Mike Iupati at left guard (2010 first-round pick). With Staley and Iupati becoming All-Pros under Harbaugh, and Davis being a recent first-round pick who was the starter at right tackle, they didn't exactly have a need to spend a high selection on an offensive lineman when Harbaugh was there.

Right, Boldin played 2 more years after that, one of those in SF. He was a good receiver even in his mid 30's and was better than Crabtree. Moss , that was his last season.

Geesus Lloyd was drafted that long ago? time flies.

Anyways,.. I know they had Staley and Iupati.
Didnt know about the RT.

they had great defenses. Our offense with a tweak or two at OL should be better than theirs.

[Boltnut]

Jack Conklin is another one. Drafted eighth overall by the Titans in 2016. He's signed two big contracts with the Cleveland Browns. He's a two-time All-Pro. Injuries have gotten in the way of him getting the recognition he deserves, though. Ryan Ramczyk has been a three-time All-Pro at right tackle for the Saints. He was drafted 32nd overall by New Orleans in 2017 and signed a 5-year, $96 million contract extension in 2021. Penei Sewell is about to get a huge contract from the Lions.

If we get a right tackle like one of those guys, our offensive line will be dominant.

How the hell did I forget Jack Conklin...!? I fought and fought for that guy back in the day. Thanks for the reminder!

[Boltnut]

I can see them drafting a swing tackle in the mid rounds to push sarrell and add more depth...but at the top of the draft? I think they go CB, C, DT or DT, C, CB...the IOL and IDL are the big priorities along with CB...as much as I like the tackles available in the first round, I just don't see them going in that direction, but you never know...

Sarrell is a ERFA... ideally, the only pushing I want to see with Sarrell is... out the door. We have to get better @RT. Protect the franchise and run the ball better. Harbaugh and I are like-minded on this. If they want to draft a stud RG and move Salyer out to RT, then fine. But the braintrust better be sure it works @RT. This is their first true test.

C, IDL, and IOL can be had in later rounds. CB is a consideration in the 1st for me. Mid-round CB if they feel RT has to be in the 1st. But damn, the CB cupboard is bare... with the 30th pass defense. Yuck!

[Boltnut]

Duke followed up by stating there would be ample time for Alt to learn and transition.

As BJolt pointed out, Lane Johnson was drafted very early.
Bookends in the persons of Slater and Alt would protect Herbeet and elevate the running game both.
Opponents with qualitt bookends would be much happier to see Slater and Pipkins over Slater and Alt.
Pipkins would be depth at Swing Tackle.
Bite the bullet on that contract.

My boys Conklin and Cosmi made the transition. Your boy Ramczyk... all LT's that made the transition.

[beachcomber]

would volunteer that Pips will/would be better than any of the RTs leftover @37, and....

Bowers will be a top ten, not top five, TE....