And With The 5th Pick Of The NFL Draft Chargers Select....Discussion

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

I would also mention Bryan Thomas Jr that guy is a freak the likes of which hasn't been seen in a while. He's got Randy Moss type speed at 6'4 and is more agile than Moss or DK Metcalf in the short area. If LSU hadn't seen so much two high coverage that guy probably would have set all sorts of records. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some teams that covet him as much as they do any of the other receivers in this class.

I read your post that was a couple of entries before *this* one I've quoted and thought, "I think you can add Bryan Thomas, Jr. to the list of wideouts from this class that will produce, right out of the gate.

Then you caught yourself. lol

[Ghost of Quacksaw]

I thought Rice' greatest virtue was a cloak of invisibility. Not seriously but it often looked that way, he was soooo open. I'd guess that he was a, make that THE Master of reading the coverage scheme and using it against the coverage. Rice was one of a kind.

Rice combined a variety of strengths into the overall ability of being elusive. He just got away from you, somehow. He felt the open spot, and naturally drifted into it. And he had that punt-returner type ability to make a defender miss with a move, dip, hesitation or a feint.

Rice also had that 'will to win' that Rome Odunze is said to have. I personally wouldn't underestimate that.

[NoMoreChillies]

The mph times you see are generally taken with GPS monitors and are accurate, but there's a big difference between top speed and acceleration. In a 40 yard dash most guys don't hit top speed until towards the end, if at all. Plenty of guys have top speed identical or very similar to Tyreek Hill but don't look near as fast because what really sets him apart is his instant acceleration - he can go from a slow jog to near top speed in about 3 steps. Jerry Rice had neither a great 10 yard start or 40 time but he also had that ability to go from half speed to top speed really quick which made him look (and play) a lot faster than his times would indicate.

This

it only takes 1 move and instant acceleration to make a guy miss, then its open field. That instant speed can come from the launch, the cut, the dig, the swerve, any part of the route really.

[Blue Thunder]

The mph times you see are generally taken with GPS monitors and are accurate, but there's a big difference between top speed and acceleration. In a 40 yard dash most guys don't hit top speed until towards the end, if at all. Plenty of guys have top speed identical or very similar to Tyreek Hill but don't look near as fast because what really sets him apart is his instant acceleration - he can go from a slow jog to near top speed in about 3 steps. Jerry Rice had neither a great 10 yard start or 40 time but he also had that ability to go from half speed to top speed really quick which made him look (and play) a lot faster than his times would indicate.

Agreed. If you want to see the top speed match the calculated 40 time, then you need to have the player get a running start, hit the starting line already at full speed, and then run the ENTIRE 40 at top speed (theoretically speaking). In that case someone running 23.5 mph for 40 full measured yards would probably run a sub 4 second 40. And that's assuming that they can maintain top speed for 40 yards without wavering.

But, of course, that would be an entirely different thing altogether than just running a normal 40 yd dash.

[wu-dai clan]

Agreed. If you want to see the top speed match the calculated 40 time, then you need to have the player get a running start, hit the starting line already at full speed, and then run the ENTIRE 40 at top speed (theoretically speaking). In that case someone running 23.5 mph for 40 full measured yards would probably run a sub 4 second 40. And that's assuming that they can maintain top speed for 40 yards without wavering.

But, of course, that would be an entirely different thing altogether than just running a normal 40 yd dash.

Brian Thomas Jr ran a 4,33 Forty but also had a blazing "Flying 20".
That is built up speed but also a clear sign of a deep threat.
There are plenty of highlights substantiating this.
Xavier Worthy is at 4,22 with small size, zero blocking capability and low production.

[Xenos]

Assuming the Cardinals are the one to trade down, #5 pick will be MHjr.

[Xenos]

I have MHJ 1st
Then I have a tossup between Nabers and Odunze if I'm the Chargers.
Just based on what each player brings.

MHJ- Primarily X (Generational Though)
Nabers- Primarily Z/Slot (But Capable of X) (Most explosive)
Odunze- Primarily X (But capable Z) (Great Hands and body control)

I have those 3 way above the rest of the pack. Everyone else will initially have to fit inside a specific role and hopefully grow into better players in that role.
These 3 could do multiple things and are all used to being their teams #1 and facing the Top coverage schemes and players from their opponents.
That's something that gets overlooked when discussing these Elite players. They face the opponents best and will less likely not have a long learning curve when looking at coverage disguises and how to get open.

The problem with getting mid round guys and hoping they pan out is they may have always faced the weaker corners and feasted on them but now are the number #1 guys and struggle with separation. Or the OC has to work harder to scheme them open because of their limitations.

The Elites are literally plug and play.

Here's an interesting thought to ponder? What if the Chargers have MHJ #1 and he's taken 4th. But they have a Similar grade on both Nabers & Odunze.
Would you consider trading back one spot with the Giants and getting their 2024 4th RD selection 107 & 2024 6th Rd selection 183?
You would still get your Elite WR at #6 and get some extra draft capital in the meat of this draft. That would give you 4th round picks 105/107/110.

Or

Would you trade with Tennessee allowing them to get Alt still getting your Elite WR but this trade looks like this.
You get 2024 4th Rd selection 106 and a 2025 3rd Round selection.
So again, more draft capital in the meat of this draft and a future 3rd round pick because the Titans don't current have a 2024 3rd.

Both these trades are within the margins of the trade chart and would get you extra capital without sacrificing the Elite Blue-Chip Player.

Food for thought.

I would trade with the Titans since I like Odunze more but think he’ll fall further than Nabers if that makes sense.

[Xenos]

No idea what they use. I just see these MPH shown and then look at the 40s and it dont add up. I think MPH is just another gimmick they came up with the try to untilize it for something. Kinda like a RAS score from years ago but it has little meaning these days. Player are over evaluated now.
There is no way MHJ is faster than Tyreek Hill or Worthy. You gonna tell me he is faster than the guy who ran the fastest combine 40 ever? If he knows he will blaze a 40, why wouldnt he run it?

Why would MHJ risk injury to run a 40 if no team wanted him to? Look at what happened to David Ojabo.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/03/1...20six%20months.

[Boltjolt]

Why would MHJ risk injury to run a 40 if no team wanted him to? Look at what happened to David Ojabo.
https://www.si.com/college/2022/03/1...20six%20months.

I understand not doing workouts for that reason but it's only a 40, not all the drills. I guess he didn't have anything extraordinary to show. But if you know you will be the first WR taken, I get it. And if Nabers is the first one taken, does he regret it? Doubt it.....he already has millions from NIL.

[SuperChargedRodney37]

I understand not doing workouts for that reason but it's only a 40, not all the drills. I guess he didn't have anything extraordinary to show. But if you know you will be the first WR taken, I get it. And if Nabers is the first one taken, does he regret it? Doubt it.....he already has millions from NIL.

If Nabers is picked at 4, MHJ will be punished severely but having to live in LA and catch passes from Justin Herbert for the next 6 seasons. He will also be subjected to Harbaugh pounding his pads and whispering sweet nothings in his ears every day at practice in that new luxurious practice facility in the booming utopia of El Segundo.

Trust me Bolt, he will suffer. 😜

[wu-dai clan]

Hey Auntie Alt,
I will try to come up with more than one Alt pancake,
to "prove" that he is a good run blocker.

[powderblueboy]

Hey Auntie Alt,
I will try to come up with more than one Alt pancake,
to "prove" that he is a good run blocker.

Looking forward to it.