Official 2025 NFL Draft Superthread | Prospect Discussion

[Lone Bolt]

RB clusters...based on OUR position in said round...

R1: Jeanty
R2: Hampton, Johnson, Skattebo,
R3: Devin Neal, Judkins

Day 3: Raheim Sanders, Ollie Gordon, Kalel Mullings, Tahj Brooks, Damien Martinez

I dont see Henderson as a fit...but if Im wrong, 2nd round

Interesting fact about Neal, and why I have him in the 3rd, vs day 3...with a schedule that had 5 ranked opponents, he averaged 5.8 ypc...but more impressive was his consistency...he had one game at 3.7ypc, and one at 4.1ypc...every other game was 5ypc or better...he never got shut down. If you check, you will see most of the other prospects got shutdown 2 or 3 games, with less than 3 ypc...

[Boltjolt]

Here is my only two issues with Skattebo and they arent big negatives, though pass pro might be for JH and usually is for RBs.. Isnt working for Vidal.

He is said to not be a good pass blocker but i cant find ANY video of him doing that. There are no videos of him and his every down plays out yet, just highlites.

And he is 215 lbs,...not 235 and always tries to run over people. He can do that in college but it wont work real well in the NFL. Its nice he can break some tackles and get the extra couple yards but he isnt Derrick Henry and the NFL tackling is better. Not to mention taking more punishment.

Its why i like DJ Giddens as a later pick. He is 212 and is a make you miss runner. He doesnt try and run you over and gets extra yads that way without taking punishment. He has good feet and agility. Also not good in pass pro.

Giddens is a bit faster than Skattebo which Skats speed isnt a concern for me.

[dmac_bolt]

True, but training is also year round as well. Back in the 70s and 80s , training camp is where they got in shape. Now if they come in TC out of shape that's bad news.

Joe Green was a monster NT st 275.lbs. Jack Lambert was a junkyard dog 220 lb MLB.

So yeah, they are bigger and faster now but it's relative to everyone. I still absolutely think LT in his prime would be great today.
His speed and size is still todays measure and the rules are different to his favor.

I don't disagree there are reasons players are bigger stronger faster. and that this is "relative and everyone is stronger faster" was exactly my point. the speed curve has shifted down some since LT was in his prime 20 years ago.

His = who? sorry, I've long since lost track of what we were debating. old age creeps ...

[richpjr]

[Lone Bolt]

Here is my only two issues with Skattebo and they arent big negatives, though pass pro might be for JH and usually is for RBs.. Isnt working for Vidal.

He is said to not be a good pass blocker but i cant find ANY video of him doing that. There are no videos of him and his every down plays out yet, just highlites.

And he is 215 lbs,...not 235 and always tries to run over people. He can do that in college but it wont work real well in the NFL. Its nice he can break some tackles and get the extra couple yards but he isnt Derrick Henry and the NFL tackling is better. Not to mention taking more punishment.

Its why i like DJ Giddens as a later pick. He is 212 and is a make you miss runner. He doesnt try and run you over and gets extra yads that way without taking punishment. He has good feet and agility. Also not good in pass pro.

Giddens is a bit faster than Skattebo which Skats speed isnt a concern for me.

I have not read he isnt good at pass blocking...the opposite...and I have seen him stonewall defenders on stunts and blitzers...but that was just a couple of full games I watched...towards the end of the season..

[21&500]

Here is my only two issues with Skattebo and they arent big negatives, though pass pro might be for JH and usually is for RBs.. Isnt working for Vidal.

He is said to not be a good pass blocker but i cant find ANY video of him doing that. There are no videos of him and his every down plays out yet, just highlites.

And he is 215 lbs,...not 235 and always tries to run over people. He can do that in college but it wont work real well in the NFL. Its nice he can break some tackles and get the extra couple yards but he isnt Derrick Henry and the NFL tackling is better. Not to mention taking more punishment.

Its why i like DJ Giddens as a later pick. He is 212 and is a make you miss runner. He doesnt try and run you over and gets extra yads that way without taking punishment. He has good feet and agility. Also not good in pass pro.

Giddens is a bit faster than Skattebo which Skats speed isnt a concern for me.

I like Giddens too. Definitely on my radar.

[Formula 21]

So if he's the best, this is a very down year in the draft. I don't think he'd go top 10 last year.

[CanadianBoltFan]

Cam Skattebo conspicuosly absent from that list of RBs you threw out there...?

Best tackle breaker, best blocker(passpro), and possibly best receiver out of the backfield not named Henderson...he is great at sneaking out the backfield for receptions...

You want contact balance? His is incredible...he has to be in the conversation...

His stats and tape back this up...including contests against 4 ranked teams on his schedule...and that doesnt include his performance vs Texas in the playoffs...

Hampton? Zero ranked opponents.

Lemme guess...long speed suspect...me? Im not looking for the occasional homerun...I want to wear down LBs and Safeties trying to take this kid down...then Herbert can hit the homerun with a playaction pass...

You wanna talk Harbaugh football? Cam Skattebo has to be in the conversation...

It is my feeling that Hampton is going to translate to the NFL better than Skattebo

[Formula 21]

CBS Sports draft expert Mike Renner recently joined Phil Perry on NBC Sports Boston's Next Pats Podcast to talk about the 2025 draft class. Renner's view is that this class is one of the worst in recent memory.

"It's really bad, yeah," Renner said. "It's because the premier positions that you would ideally want to take at the top of the draft -- offensive tackle, wide receiver, and I would say defensive end, to a degree -- I think this defensive end class is insanely deep, but there's no guy I'm going to have a top-five grade on. There's no Will Anderson waiting for you, someone you know for sure when you draft him that you've got a good one.

"It's a unique class, one where scouts have to make their money. If you had a top 10 pick last year, you didn't have to be a good scout. You could have thrown a dart and hit a player who's All-Pro caliber. It was such a good draft.

"This year, I don't think that's going to be the case. There are positions where this class is strong, but they're not your traditional positions you draft highly. I think running back is one of them. I think off-ball linebacker is one of them. It's a fairly good class for safeties as well. But again, not the positions you usually want to be taking in the top five or top 10."

Renner pointed to the 2022 class as one comparable to the 2025 class, with one notable difference.

"It's reminiscent of the year Travon Walker and Aidan Hutchinson went No. 1 and No. 2," Renner said. "I think it's a little better than that year's class, and there are a couple quarterbacks that will make it interesting at the top, whereas that year didn't have the QBs. But it's much closer to that level of talent than we've seen the last two years."

While the 2025 class doesn't have any prospects that would be labeled generational talents, there is still plenty of talent to scout. Even though the 2022 class didn't have any Grade A quarterback prospects, the following players were taken in the top 15:

• No. 2: Aidan Hutchinson, DE, Lions
• No. 4: Sauce Gardner, CB, Jets
• No. 8: Drake London, WR, Falcons
• No. 10: Garrett Wilson, WR, Jets
• No. 11: Chris Olave, WR, Saints
• No. 12: Jameson Williams, WR, Lions
• No. 14: Kyle Hamilton, S, Ravens

The 2022 class, overall, looks better than it did at the time. Maybe the 2025 class will be like that, or maybe not.

But if the Patriots got a player in Round 1 who's comparable to any of the names in the list above, that would be a successful pick for New England. The Patriots have a ton of roster needs to address in this draft, most notably offensive tackle, edge rusher and cornerback. They should be able to get a good player at any one of those positions in the first round.

[CanadianBoltFan]

RB clusters...based on OUR position in said round...

R1: Jeanty
R2: Hampton, Johnson, Skattebo,
R3: Devin Neal, Judkins

Day 3: Raheim Sanders, Ollie Gordon, Kalel Mullings, Tahj Brooks, Damien Martinez

I dont see Henderson as a fit...but if Im wrong, 2nd round

Interesting fact about Neal, and why I have him in the 3rd, vs day 3...with a schedule that had 5 ranked opponents, he averaged 5.8 ypc...but more impressive was his consistency...he had one game at 3.7ypc, and one at 4.1ypc...every other game was 5ypc or better...he never got shut down. If you check, you will see most of the other prospects got shutdown 2 or 3 games, with less than 3 ypc...

There are other good day 3 guys also....DJ Giddens, Blayshul Tuten with his 4.3 speed, Kyle Monangai for a tough runner. Trevor Etienne pass catcher

[CanadianBoltFan]

Here is my only two issues with Skattebo and they arent big negatives, though pass pro might be for JH and usually is for RBs.. Isnt working for Vidal.

He is said to not be a good pass blocker but i cant find ANY video of him doing that. There are no videos of him and his every down plays out yet, just highlites.

And he is 215 lbs,...not 235 and always tries to run over people. He can do that in college but it wont work real well in the NFL. Its nice he can break some tackles and get the extra couple yards but he isnt Derrick Henry and the NFL tackling is better. Not to mention taking more punishment.

Its why i like DJ Giddens as a later pick. He is 212 and is a make you miss runner. He doesnt try and run you over and gets extra yads that way without taking punishment. He has good feet and agility. Also not good in pass pro.

Giddens is a bit faster than Skattebo which Skats speed isnt a concern for me.

Exactly why i said Hampton will translate to the NFL better than Skattebo. He wont be able to lower his helmut and run into and over defenders like he has in college.

I like Giddens also and just mentioned him ina post. He is an elusive runner and has 3 down potential.

[Boltjolt]

I have not read he isnt good at pass blocking...the opposite...and I have seen him stonewall defenders on stunts and blitzers...but that was just a couple of full games I watched...towards the end of the season..

It's scarce, I've been looking for tape of it and reports. So far Draft Buzz says his pass pro is "wildly inconsistent".

Looking forward to more in depth videos coming out soon of other players too.