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  • like54ninjas
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    Sometimes a blur can change your life, just ask Lamar product Rodney Randle. Every year the FCS has a guy pop a 40-yard dash time that makes scouts' heads spin collectively. This spring, Randle was that guy, posting a 4.28-second time in the 40-yard dash at his Pro Day, faster than anybody at the NFL Combine.


    Last year, Prairie View A&M's KhaDarel Hodge was "that guy", timing in the mid 4.2-second range and using that to open doors. The rookie free agent eventually played in the Super Bowl for the Rams. Randle is well aware of Hodge, as they both played FCS college ball in the same state, Texas.





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    "I do remember that (about Hodge)," Randle told HERO Sports this week, just days before he'll learn where he'll be heading next week. "The Rams scout who I've met, he was scouting me during the season and told me about Hodge, that's who he wanted last year. He liked him the whole time."

    The Lamar cornerback said he's heard the most from the Chargers, Browns, Texas and Patriots, and the Chargers worked him out a week after his Pro Day. The 5-foot-10, 191-pound cornerback/return specialist had 170 tackles in his career with five interceptions, 21 passes defended and returned 84 kickoffs in his career for 1,802 yards (21.5 avg) and a TD. Special teams -- both as a kick returner and a gunner on coverage -- will help him get onto a roster and give him time to grow as a defensive back.

    While that special number of 4.28 helped his case most, his vertical jump of 41 inches and his broad jump of 131 inches didn't hurt either, as both would have been top five for CBs at the Combine, as would his shuttle time of 4.08 seconds. His marks clearly put him into an elite class, but how that translates this weekend is unknown. Some services consider him a priority free agent, which basically equates him to the 8th to 12th round pick slot of 25 years ago -- except he'll be the one making the call of where he heads, should he not get drafted.

    "I feel like special teams is what's going to help me out," the Beaumont native and soon to be Lamar grad said. "I'm most definitely the underdog and I have always been. So I have that chip on my shoulder. I've been training for this my whole life, and I took my training in Denver (with Landow Performance) really serious with my eating and sleeping habits. My girlfriend kept reminding me that I could run in the 4.2s."

    As usual for FCS products, their games against FBS competition are often conversation topics with scouts. In Randle's case, his chance to play against Baylor -- a team that once recruited him -- was quite an opportunity, and the Cardinals were beating the Bears in the first half of that game. Lamar games against Texas Tech, Houston and North Texas were also chances for individuals to prove themselves on film, even when sometimes the scores were lopsided thanks to depth differences.

    He also got to go against fellow draft prospect Jazz Ferguson of Northwestern State, who once caught passes at LSU before transferring. The Southland Conference has challenged Randle, but he came through as an all-conference performer.

    So that 4.28 time opened some doors, since it was faster than anything run at the Combine ... and this weekend we'll see what the final destination is.

    "Your life can change a lot in one year, (Hodge) proved that," Randle said. "I definitely feel like my time has come."
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    • like54ninjas
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      2019 Chargers UDFA Profile: North Texas CB Kemon Hall

      By Michael Peterson@ZoneTracks May 11, 2019, 6:27pm PDT
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      Like clockwork, Tom Telesco and company wasted no time in signing a handful of defensive backs following the 2019 NFL Draft late last month. And if they keep the hit-rate as high as they have over the last several years, I'd advise them to stick with it.

      Since Telesco took over as the general manager for the Chargers at the start of 2013, here are the names of some defensive backs who have made the team as undrafted free agents:
      Those three defenders were Rodney Randle from Lamar University, Bradford Lemmons from Furman University, and Kemon Hall out of the University of North Texas.

      Obviously according to the title, this profile is on the 2018 first team All-Conference USA selection in Hall. Of the three, Hall played at the biggest school while Lemmons and Randle played for mid-major programs.

      Hall started at the JUCO ranks, having played his first two years of ball at Itawamba Community College in his home-state of Mississippi. He started his sophomore season in 2016 and totaled 45 stops with a pair of interceptions.

      After transferring to UNT, Hall started 25 games across his final two seasons, including 14 in 2017. His stats are below:

      2017 (14 starts): 73 tackles - 1 TFL - 1 interception - 8 passes defended - 1 forced fumble

      2018 (11 starts): 48 tackles - 1 TFL - 5 interceptions - 2 returned for TDs - 14 passes defended - 1 forced fumble

      As a member of the Mean Green, Hall was also a part of the team's leadership council. As one of 14 members elected by the team, Hall served as a rotating captain throughout the 2018 season.

      Even though Hall's athletic profile is fairly underwhelming, the Mississippi-native still has a knack for always being around the ball. Besides his six career interceptions, he amassed a staggering 22 pass breakups in that time span, as well.

      One thing that I'm keeping an eye on with Hall is that he doesn't quite reach the height threshold that is common with the recent defensive backs under Gus Bradley. Bradley likes his cornerbacks to be tall and long, and only Rodney Randle is over 6-feet tall.

      Regardless, Hall has shown to be a playmaker during his time at North Texas and will be looking to continue that success with the Chargers. With the cornerback room looking pretty stout at the moment, Hall and the other defensive backs may have one of the steeper hills to climb when it comes to making the final 53-man roster.
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      • beachcomber
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        was a Kemon Hall fan most all thru the draft, and think both he and Randle have a good shot @things.

        RB * Jeremy Cox
        WR * Trevion Thompson, Fred Trevillion
        OG * Koda Martin
        NT * Eurndras Bryant
        OTTO * Elijah Zeise
        SS * Adarius Pickett
        CB * Kemon Hall, Rodney Randle
        P * Ty Long

        and think Tyler Newsome wins the punting/kicking competition
        ED Matayo Uiagalelei, OG Earnest Greene III,​ CB Domani Jackson,​ DT Dontay Corleone, OC Iapani Laloulu, WR J Michael Sturdivant, LB Eric Gentry
        ED Malcom Koonce, LB Isaiah Simmons, TE Cade Otton, RB Kyren Williams, QB Gardner Minshew, TE Jelani Woods,​ P Matt Araiza

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        • Boltsfan70
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          Kid from Furman a few miles from me

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          • Topcat
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            Originally posted by like54ninjas View Post
            Sometimes a blur can change your life, just ask Lamar product Rodney Randle. Every year the FCS has a guy pop a 40-yard dash time that makes scouts' heads spin collectively. This spring, Randle was that guy, posting a 4.28-second time in the 40-yard dash at his Pro Day, faster than anybody at the NFL Combine.


            Last year, Prairie View A&M's KhaDarel Hodge was "that guy", timing in the mid 4.2-second range and using that to open doors. The rookie free agent eventually played in the Super Bowl for the Rams. Randle is well aware of Hodge, as they both played FCS college ball in the same state, Texas.





            MORE: All FCS to the NFL Coverage

            FCS RISING: FCS' Current Projected Draft Picks (updated April 22)

            PROSPECTS BY FCS CONFERENCE: The list



            "I do remember that (about Hodge)," Randle told HERO Sports this week, just days before he'll learn where he'll be heading next week. "The Rams scout who I've met, he was scouting me during the season and told me about Hodge, that's who he wanted last year. He liked him the whole time."

            The Lamar cornerback said he's heard the most from the Chargers, Browns, Texas and Patriots, and the Chargers worked him out a week after his Pro Day. The 5-foot-10, 191-pound cornerback/return specialist had 170 tackles in his career with five interceptions, 21 passes defended and returned 84 kickoffs in his career for 1,802 yards (21.5 avg) and a TD. Special teams -- both as a kick returner and a gunner on coverage -- will help him get onto a roster and give him time to grow as a defensive back.

            While that special number of 4.28 helped his case most, his vertical jump of 41 inches and his broad jump of 131 inches didn't hurt either, as both would have been top five for CBs at the Combine, as would his shuttle time of 4.08 seconds. His marks clearly put him into an elite class, but how that translates this weekend is unknown. Some services consider him a priority free agent, which basically equates him to the 8th to 12th round pick slot of 25 years ago -- except he'll be the one making the call of where he heads, should he not get drafted.

            "I feel like special teams is what's going to help me out," the Beaumont native and soon to be Lamar grad said. "I'm most definitely the underdog and I have always been. So I have that chip on my shoulder. I've been training for this my whole life, and I took my training in Denver (with Landow Performance) really serious with my eating and sleeping habits. My girlfriend kept reminding me that I could run in the 4.2s."

            As usual for FCS products, their games against FBS competition are often conversation topics with scouts. In Randle's case, his chance to play against Baylor -- a team that once recruited him -- was quite an opportunity, and the Cardinals were beating the Bears in the first half of that game. Lamar games against Texas Tech, Houston and North Texas were also chances for individuals to prove themselves on film, even when sometimes the scores were lopsided thanks to depth differences.

            He also got to go against fellow draft prospect Jazz Ferguson of Northwestern State, who once caught passes at LSU before transferring. The Southland Conference has challenged Randle, but he came through as an all-conference performer.

            So that 4.28 time opened some doors, since it was faster than anything run at the Combine ... and this weekend we'll see what the final destination is.

            "Your life can change a lot in one year, (Hodge) proved that," Randle said. "I definitely feel like my time has come."
            A 4.28 40? Heck, let him tote the rock and turn him into a scatback...

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            • 21&500
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              Originally posted by Topcat View Post

              A 4.28 40? Heck, let him tote the rock and turn him into a scatback...
              Definitely can't teach 4.28
              our own tyreek hill?
              but not human garbage?
              HAMMER TIME
              (can't touch him)

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              • Formula 21
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                Gotta be skeptical of pro day 40s. Probably more of a real 4.40.
                Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                Let’s win one for Mack.

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                • Formula 21
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                  The 40-yard Dash is timed at both the NFL Combine and a player's collegiate Pro Day. Often times the players seem to run a better time at their Pro Day than they do at the combine. The reasoning behind this is rather simple; at a Pro Day, a player is manually timed by one of their coaches who starts the clock after the player takes off rather than when the player takes off.

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                  On the other hand, the timing for 40-yard dashes at the NFL Combine is done by a scientific laser-operated timing system that garners a far more accurate measurement. This is done with Zybek Sports which was founded in Boulder, Colorado in 2008. Zybek has been working with then NFL Combine since 2011 to achieve more accurate 40-Yard Dash times.

                  Zybek Sports' PowerDash sets a laser sensor at the starting line and when the runner starts it automatically senses the motion and starts the timer. Once the athlete crosses the finish line there is another sensor that stops the time. Using this technology, Zybek is able to provide times that are much more accurate than with a hand timer. According to Mike Weinstein, Founder of Zybek Sports, when tracked with a hand timer, a 40 time on average is .175 seconds faster due to inaccuracies in the timing device.
                  Now, if you excuse me, I have some Charger memories to suppress.
                  Let’s win one for Mack.

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                  • Topcat
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                    Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
                    The 40-yard Dash is timed at both the NFL Combine and a player's collegiate Pro Day. Often times the players seem to run a better time at their Pro Day than they do at the combine. The reasoning behind this is rather simple; at a Pro Day, a player is manually timed by one of their coaches who starts the clock after the player takes off rather than when the player takes off.

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                    On the other hand, the timing for 40-yard dashes at the NFL Combine is done by a scientific laser-operated timing system that garners a far more accurate measurement. This is done with Zybek Sports which was founded in Boulder, Colorado in 2008. Zybek has been working with then NFL Combine since 2011 to achieve more accurate 40-Yard Dash times.

                    Zybek Sports' PowerDash sets a laser sensor at the starting line and when the runner starts it automatically senses the motion and starts the timer. Once the athlete crosses the finish line there is another sensor that stops the time. Using this technology, Zybek is able to provide times that are much more accurate than with a hand timer. According to Mike Weinstein, Founder of Zybek Sports, when tracked with a hand timer, a 40 time on average is .175 seconds faster due to inaccuracies in the timing device.
                    Okay, so maybe Randle is only a 4.38 instead of 4.28...

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                    • powderblueboy
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                      Originally posted by Formula 21 View Post
                      Gotta be skeptical of pro day 40s. Probably more of a real 4.40.
                      I always add 0.8 seconds to pro day times. 4.28 seconds pro day --> 4.36 seconds combine time: still a very good time.

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                      • chargeroo
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                        Originally posted by powderblueboy View Post

                        I always add 0.8 seconds to pro day times. 4.28 seconds pro day --> 4.36 seconds combine time: still a very good time.
                        That kid only weighs 170 pounds, he BETTER be fast!
                        THE YEAR OF THE FLIP!

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