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FYI, the inning went double, ground out, single, error, 2b, walk, double, single. After the freeman single, Shields was 1 pitch away several times. Take away the error and the inning changes drastically!
Shields didnt make pitches, which your #1 should make.
Blaming BB for everything is kinda silly to me! IMO, Shields was the right pitcher; it was his game and he got a breaking ball up to a guy that leads MLB in hitting into DP's.Last edited by TABF; 06-09-2015, 10:20 PM.Comment
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One pitch away means he only needed one pitch to record an inning ending double play. In fact, as I noted in a previous post, Simmons leads MLB in hitting into double plays.Originally posted by Engine Engine Number 420 View PostComment
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Yes I did!Comment
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Then there's nothing I'm going to say that will change your mind. That list of plays is correct, but it doesn't show the whole story. The same exact game told us two different stories. The ground out was a hard hit that our 3rd-baseman made a good play on. The error was barely an error. Spangenberg was trying to grab a difficult bounce and tag the runner who was going by. He could have played the ball easier and possibly thrown out the runner at first. But, even if that had happened, that would have been two outs. Shields wasn't going to get that third out.Originally posted by TBF View Post
You might be right that every other manager would have left Shields in until he blew a 5-0 lead in one-third of an inning, but, if that's the case, I just don't understand today's managers. I'd have pulled Shields out of the game after the 3rd batter in that inning. That sprint around the bases ruined him.Last edited by Guest; 06-09-2015, 10:46 PM.Comment
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This is where your wrong! Todays ball clubs lean more conservative with pitching.Originally posted by Engine Engine Number 420 View Post
Its still the same game, just now its a 12-13 man staff, with specialist. Old school baseball had 4 starters going on less rest and throwing longer/deeper into games because teams didnt carry 12+ arms. Even in today's specialized roles, you let your guy battle and make a pitch!
One pitch away is a good place for a pitcher!
You have been blaming BB all season long for any number of things referencing 'todays' game changing. I have been around this game at many levels for 40+ years. Not much has really changed minus the size/strength of the players! Ball is still round, bat is still round and its still real difficult to match the plain of the pitch, and square up round on round at 88+. Walks and errors still comeback to haunt and Nate Kaeding will never be Clutch!Comment
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Not a fan of Bud Black and the above conversation illustrates why. He can appear to do things "by the book" but IMO he lacks the gut instinct that all the great managers have. He is a bookworm, plain and simple. I don't think he can accomplish much with this squad. Hope I'm wrong.Comment
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I think we can win despite having Bud Black as manager - kind of like how the Chargers almost won despite Norv.Originally posted by 6025 View Post
We have the hitting when healthy, and our pitchers have the potential to do a whole lot better than they have this year. A lot of them have been better in the past - I'm hoping they can rebound.
As much as I rag on Black, I'm not sure I would do any less ragging if I followed any other manager. Yesterday was really the first game that I thought Black played a part in a loss. And, to be fair, I thought the Braves manager made a terrible non-move as well. In the 5th, when the Pads were winning, I think, 3-0, the Braves pitcher came to bat with two outs and a runner at 2nd base. The pitcher, up until that point, hadn't given up a lot of runs, but that was only due to pure luck. The Pads had been lighting him up all game. I think we had like 9 or 10 hits by that time and even a bunch of the outs were hit hard. The Braves could have pleased two ladies with one tongue by removing the struggling pitcher for a pinch hitter. But the manager did nothing. The pitcher got out, the Braves didn't score, and the pitcher went on to get tooled by the Pads in the 6th before getting pulled from the game.Comment
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I am not sure what to think. BB has never accomplished anything here despite a long tenure, yet we all know there were years where we were fielding AAA talent at multiple positions. Now that he has some legitimate talent, there is no difference in performance. Even worse, the team appears so tight that a lot of players are pressing. The pitching staff hasn't improved despite more offense - it's worse. The defense is horrible. Baserunning is horrible. And the offense is schizophrenic. I'm tired of tipping my hat to the other team over and over again. Even worse, the team has completely killed off any enthusiasm I had for it before we are even 40% done. Maybe they can turn it around, but the emotional investment simply isn't worth it. And if history repeats itself, they will fall out of contention and then when everyone has written them off and there is no pressure or expectations left, then they'll get on a mini roll and give us the just you wait until next year - again.
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BB was not been given tools to do anything until this year... He has worked with a few different GM's and each GM has had a different vision. You can't blame BB for the lack of development in the system either. The organization has done a fantastic job with arms, but we have lacked drafting and developing hitters for quite some time.Originally posted by richpjr View Post
This year has been a weird one indeed. (1) We have played the toughest schedule in MLB thus far. (2) Currently we have a weak(er) spot and we need todays game to stay above .500 for the road trip. (3) Ian Kennedy has been a major let down (4) We have had a revolving door for our #3 SP due to injury and inability to step up (5) Cash has gotten very little run support (6) Myers and Alonso went down at a really-really bad time. (7) Veneble stepped up in CF, however it took him awhile.
The Pads have typically been a better 2nd half team under BB. Lets give him and the boys a chance to see if they can stay close at the AS break and see if they can make a 2nd half run. As the saying goes, you cannot win it in the first half, but you sure can lose it. We have done nothing thus far to lose our chances at a PO spot. The only issue with 2015 is that there are a ton of teams hanging on the NL.Comment
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