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[QSmokey]

Rest would fix Verrett's labrum? Not form what I understood. It was just a matter of time before it got worse and surgery was inevitable anyway.

He should probably shut it down but like others have said, none of us are his doctor so none of us really knows what's going on.

** SIGH **

SURGERY + REST + REHAB

I just don't feel like typing that all the time, so I say "rest" to include all three.

[Gwynning_Spirit]

surgery + rehab should also be included with naps

[TTK]

** SIGH **

SURGERY + REST + REHAB

I just don't feel like typing that all the time, so I say "rest" to include all three.

Like we're supposed to know what you mean and not what you say... Rest is completely different than surgery or rehab.

[Panama]

All of a sudden? WTF?!! I've been calling for Verrett to be RESTED since before Denver. AFTER the damage was done against Denver, I've been calling for him to be IR'd. Period. Nobody kicked my dog(s)...and, if they did, they wouldn't live to tell about it.

Not questioning your opinion. Yes, you've been consistent on that from the get-go. It seems to be your default position on all injuries, from hangnails to decapitations.

The "all of a sudden" refers how you suddenly went postal on me in that post. It did seem to come out of left field, a disproportionate response given the tone of the other posts. But whatever. Shouldn't surprise me. You've had some doozies over the years. We both have.

[QSmokey]

Like we're supposed to know what you mean and not what you say... Rest is completely different than surgery or rehab.

Since when does anybody care what I mean? And since when do I mean what I say? Confused enough now?

Here is what I meant:

- When Verrett was initially diagnosed, I recall reading that it was something other (as in less serious) than a 3-part labrum tear. At that time, I recommended rest. And no, I'm not a doctor, nor have I ever been a "hospital employee".
- AFTER he was diagnosed with the multi-tear, I said "shut him down" (i.e., put him on IR). And no, I've never had a labrum tear, an ACL tear, a meniscus tear, or any other kind of tear.
- Since the diagnosis of a tear was made, I've been calling for him to "rest", which is apparently a terrible choice of words. I will now officially apologize for being lazy and imprecise.

The guy appears to need surgery. Don't play him - at all, again, this year - until that surgery is performed. Let him work his way back to full strength.

And may God strike me dead if I ever use the word "rest" again in the wrong context.

[Stinky Wizzleteats+]

This type of behavior is classic QTucker... He's funny when he's pissed off... Ask him what he thinks about New Jerseys Gov Chris Christy permitting Vick to receive a pit bull puppy from Percey Harvin...

[Panama]

But if what we're reading is true, and the guy has 3 tears in his labrum, then I still haven't read anything from the "hospital workers" and or "football players" on this board which even comes close to explaining whey it's NOT a good idea to IR the guy.

Because, despite the fact that "3 labrum tears and cuff injury" sounds really, really bad, it might not actually be all that serious. They could be very tiny tears in places that don't impact range of motion or strength, along with some fraying of the cuff. If that's the case and Verrett can tolerate/manage the pain and the medical staff feel there is no huge risk of making the injury worse by playing, there's absolutely no medical reason why he can't finish out the season. Yes, we know he will need surgery, but in the scenario I described that's just a matter of a few stitches in the labrum and filing the edges of the cartilege in the cuff to smooth them out.

But then it could be a lot worse than that. It could be that the tears are significant enough that the shoulder is not structurally sound. Or perhaps the tears affect his range of motion and strength in a way that would adversely affect his ability to play and protect himself. In that scenario, absolutely place him on the IR.

The point is that none of us know, and it is rash to want to throw him on the IR without knowing more about his injury. Heck, even the medical people don't know, and won't know until the swelling goes down enough for them to have a better look at the shoulder and to see how Verrett responds to therapy, but some of us here like to think we know better than the trained medical personnel working with Verrett. And that is far more ridiculous than comparing two soft-tissue joint injuries.

[QSmokey]

Not questioning your opinion. Yes, you've been consistent on that from the get-go. It seems to be your default position on all injuries, from hangnails to decapitations.

The "all of a sudden" refers how you suddenly went postal on me in that post. It did seem to come out of left field, a disproportionate response given the tone of the other posts. But whatever. Shouldn't surprise me. You've had some doozies over the years. We both have.

LOL! Decapitations.

And hell yes, I can snap at any time, for any reason. Hell, for NO reason. No one is safe. Actually, a few people are safe: Utah; coach; AcesCasino (when he used to post here); a select few others. Don't ask me why. Certainly not you.

Verrett, in what little action he's seen, appears to be the type of guy that you try and keep around for a very long time. Shredding the guys shoulder, in a season going very quickly to hell, doesn't seem like a great idea to me. But that's just me.

[Panama]

Rest would fix Verrett's labrum? Not form what I understood. It was just a matter of time before it got worse and surgery was inevitable anyway.

He should probably shut it down but like others have said, none of us are his doctor so none of us really knows what's going on.

Nope, only way to fix a labrum tear is surgically.

[Panama]

Verrett, in what little action he's seen, appears to be the type of guy that you try and keep around for a very long time. Shredding the guys shoulder, in a season going very quickly to hell, doesn't seem like a great idea to me. But that's just me.

Agreed. But what if the doctors say there is very little chance of making the injury worse by playing with it? This is often the case. This was certainly the case when I tore my labrum playing rugby, and as you know I am very far from being a world-class athlete. If there's little risk of making the injury worse, his strength and range of motion are not so adversely affected that he becomes ineffective, and he can manage the pain, then why is placing him on IR preferable to playing him?

[Stinky Wizzleteats+]

That did not happen, but for a second when Q reads that, he will freak the fuck out!!!

I repeat Chris Christy did NOT give Vick any permit to own a dog in NJ or any other state.

[Den60]

Ah, so you know the extent and location of the tears? The nature of the cuff damage? Do you know that they are the types of injuries that can be aggravated by playing through them?

If the medical people are saying, "Wait till the swelling is subsided so we can have a better look and give a more accurate prognosis," who are you to declare he must be shut down? Because Hacksaw said something???

What part of the shoulder labrum would make a tear less significant? If he plays through this he will be limited in what he can do and will likely suffer more damage. If he was an insurance salesman he could probably delay surgery until it is convenient to do so but as a football player doing his normal job is going to make his injury worse. The more damage there is the more work will be necessary to repair it. You do run the risk of damaging it so much that it cannot be repaired. That is what leads to joint replacement surgery.