New stadium in LA

[TTK]

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/may/16/chargers-are-part-of-local-history-should-stay-in/

Chargers are part of local history, should stay in San DiegoAtkinson, Burnham and Sawyer are members of the Strategic Roundtable, a group of 32 retired and semiretired executives.

[Lightningwill_420]

Dear Spanos family:

I am not your friend.
Whether or not you steal away the Chargers, San Diego will continue to have beaches and a year-round climate that hovers within the parameters of paradise. When tourists and native San Diegans alike think of the city, the first thing that pops into our mind isn't football. Football defines towns like Foxboro and Green Bay - not our little blue heaven.
I am a San Diego Chargers fan. I was a Chargers fan before your family had anything to do with the team.
You've already raised ticket prices so high, I can no longer afford my season tickets (not since the late 90s) - tickets my family owned from the day the Chargers moved to San Diego until the moment you turned my seats into the Gold Club.
On top of that, you once used politicians to help you gouge taxpayers with a ticket guarantee.
Now you are threatening to move the team - thus threatening to rob me of something that is mine more than it is yours.
To you and all the jerks in charge of NFL teams, you have a chance to be forgiven. Don't take the Chargers away.

Signed,

A guy whose daddy doesn't have enough money for me to influence politicians and rob from city government

[SDFan]

When it comes to "inside information" I would be talking about from inside the Chargers camp, not CSAG. When it comes down to it it is what the Chargers decide to do that will determine where they play in the future. As of right now I have not heard anything positive from them regarding CSAG or their plan for MV. Of course, it is possible they could be doing the "good cop, bad cop" routine with the people of San Diego but they also could be following Mel Gibson's art of negotiation (as William Wallace in Braveheart) as well.

I would tend to DIS-agree with that idea 100%. When it comes to inside information, Jim Steeg is your guy. I don't know if he is the source but he has intimate personal knowledge of both the NFL's and Chargers' inner workings and desires towards solving the stadium situation. Also, it was recently revealed by the NFL they are not going to let Kroenke move the Rams to LA. Forget where I saw that but you can probably find it by searching the net. So, the Carson farce has been revealed as such and a moot point and there is not going to be any Inglewood stadium for the Rams- so sharing it with another team is not any kind of leverage for the Chargers at least in the short term while they negotiate with San Diego.

I DO agree with you the release of the CSAG plan will be illuminating, but I don't see any hiccups or intial complaints by the Chargers resulting in them flat out rejecting it and continuing to make noise about a quick move to LA.

[SDFan]

Idiotic? Or pretty smart? They have gone from banging their heads against the wall for 14 years with no results to the city actually getting off their asses and finally doing something in the few months since they unleashed Fabiani with his threatening to leave media blitz. Next week will be very interesting.

I would say they have been whining and complaining for 14 years, but have not made a serious effort of their own to get a new stadium in San Diego. Look how fast the team moved to secure a site in Carson, shmooze the city officials and pay for and drive a referendum to build a stadium. The Chargers did NONE of that in San Diego! It's never been a question of the city spending a great deal of time and resources to build a new stadium while the old 1 is standing and in use and they have contractual agreements for such use over time. We all agree the Q is a decaying building- but that doesn't put the onus on the city to replace it on somebody else's timeline and budget.

[SDFan]

At no point had any inside information from the Chargers been positive

exactly. it is far more like the team would give out Dis-information, fabrications, falsehoods, empty threats or outright lies than real information.

[RTPbolt]

I no longer reside in San Diego but my perspective from seeing the articles over the years seems to side more with Rich. I won't say the Chargers did everything right, but I do believe they were making many attempts to woo the city into discussions and the ineptitude of the city council plus the economic woes led to multiple efforts squashed. I think the Chargers were looking at other models in cities for funding and mirroring those....unfortunately San Diego (and California) was in a economic mess and I do believe the city council were not wanting to be the one's that signed a contract that hurt their political positions for the future. Reality is yes the Chargers did a better job negotiating their old deal with the City...is that the Chargers fault, blind luck or stupidity by the original council that helped develop the old contract...probably in the Fouts days?

I personally believe there are multiple factors here and all have partial blame but frankly that's what negotiations are about...its usually not easy when you are dealing with the sums that are discussed. I hope this City/County effort yields a fruitful plan that the Chargers can work with. I can't imagine My Chargers not being in San Diego, but economics may dictate that's the best place to carry on their business. If they had been selling games out for year after year I'd say it would be a slam dunk but the population doesnt seem to get behind football like other cities.

I hope it works out. I'd love to schedule a visit again and hit a game with my family in San Diego.

Cheers! Keeping fingers crossed!

[TABF]

When it comes to "inside information" I would be talking about from inside the Chargers camp, not CSAG. When it comes down to it it is what the Chargers decide to do that will determine where they play in the future. As of right now I have not heard anything positive from them regarding CSAG or their plan for MV. Of course, it is possible they could be doing the "good cop, bad cop" routine with the people of San Diego but they also could be following Mel Gibson's art of negotiation (as William Wallace in Braveheart) as well.

You sure about that... Because before you went to hit Golf Balls you said

As for Kaplan I have my doubts about any inside knowledge he professes to have and he seems to have a disjoint between his brain and his mouth but since he is saying things people on here want to hear he has suddenly become a sage on the subject.

The ONLY information that matters today or on the 20th is what CSAG is going to release. Scott has been a huge supporter of what CSAG is doing, and IMO he has been doing a fantastic job of getting people behind the cause of saving our bolts.

Scott is well aware that the Chargers are following a script here.

[TABF]

Idiotic? Or pretty smart? They have gone from banging their heads against the wall for 14 years with no results to the city actually getting off their asses and finally doing something in the few months since they unleashed Fabiani with his threatening to leave media blitz. Next week will be very interesting.

So why blame and act like idiots towards the city leadership that is actually getting something done. I'm not saying their campaign isn't genius, however they still look like idiots with the dump in Carson, and parades of signatures et al...

Previous city leadership is to blame, not the current leadership. I understand hard ball, but this is almost d!ck ball.

[SDFan]

I no longer reside in San Diego but my perspective from seeing the articles over the years seems to side more with Rich. I won't say the Chargers did everything right, but I do believe they were making many attempts to woo the city into discussions and the ineptitude of the city council plus the economic woes led to multiple efforts squashed. I think the Chargers were looking at other models in cities for funding and mirroring those....unfortunately San Diego (and California) was in a economic mess and I do believe the city council were not wanting to be the one's that signed a contract that hurt their political positions for the future. Reality is yes the Chargers did a better job negotiating their old deal with the City...is that the Chargers fault, blind luck or stupidity by the original council that helped develop the old contract...probably in the Fouts days?

I personally believe there are multiple factors here and all have partial blame but frankly that's what negotiations are about...its usually not easy when you are dealing with the sums that are discussed. I hope this City/County effort yields a fruitful plan that the Chargers can work with. I can't imagine My Chargers not being in San Diego, but economics may dictate that's the best place to carry on their business. If they had been selling games out for year after year I'd say it would be a slam dunk but the population doesnt seem to get behind football like other cities.

I hope it works out. I'd love to schedule a visit again and hit a game with my family in San Diego.

Cheers! Keeping fingers crossed!

the city was on the verge of bankruptcy for most of a decade- and it was recommended by some professional analysts and accounting firms to do just that to get out from under the crushing debt and ballooning gov't employee pension obligations like several other cities did. We also had Donna Frye as councilwoman controlling the district where the Q sits and Mike Aguirre as City Attorney and both were vocally anti-Spanos/Chargers. Add in public sentiment harshly against the team after the "ticket gurantee" fiasco- and there was no possible way a new stadium was going to get any traction and not a single person alive who could champion such a project to fruition in San Diego. Also, the whole point of the deal to remodel the Q and provide the Murphy Canyon practice facility was to lock the team into San Diego for 20 years. The Chargers willingly and gladly signed that deal. For them to start complaining a few years into that deal while not acting in good faith to uphold their obligation to market the team and put a winning product on the field during the ticket guarantee period was a fatal blow for a good many taxpayers who turned against them.

Our city councils have been filled with buffoons and idologues over the years, but there's no way I would blame them as being "inept" for the single reason of not replacing the Q. And I don't believe anything they did or did not do prevented the Chargers from making the same type of effort in SD like they did in Carson.

[TTK]

Today is the day!

Bernie Wilson@berniewilson32m32 minutes ago

#CSAG will annnounce financing plan for new #Chargers stadium at 1 p.m. today at County Operations Center.

[richpjr]

So why blame and act like idiots towards the city leadership that is actually getting something done. I'm not saying their campaign isn't genius, however they still look like idiots with the dump in Carson, and parades of signatures et al...

Previous city leadership is to blame, not the current leadership. I understand hard ball, but this is almost d!ck ball.

Honestly, if they get a stadium deal here they won't care and if what is announced today doesn't work for them and they leave they won't care either. And while Spanos is not very liked here, Fabiani is the real "villain" in this campaign and he really doesn't care as he understands the game.

[TABF]

Honestly, if they get a stadium deal here they won't care and if what is announced today doesn't work for them and they leave they won't care either. And while Spanos is not very liked here, Fabiani is the real "villain" in this campaign and he really doesn't care as he understands the game.

Fabs is the voice of the Chargers... One in the same. Carson IMO is a last resort, hail Mary for the Chargers. Nobody wants to hang their hats on Carson, not even people from Carson.

The Chargers want this to work in SD but, it's not in their script (*YET)... Their acceptance of the plan comes in episode 11 (Mid June).