Donald Butler Isnt Very Good

[oneinchpunch]

Man, this message board.

I've missed some time and in trying to catch up I haven't read one decent thread.

[TTK]

Others have discussed this play at length. Allen's mistake was that he made his move to the ball very late. Mako called it "drifting". Davis correctly looked for Allen and when he looked, he was in a different position nowhere close to where Davis was blocking. As I understand it from others on this forum, Allen has already admitted that he made this mistake on the play, so I don't even know why some of you are trying to hold on to the incorrect notion that Allen deserves no blame on the play.

A better analogy would be that of a child suddenly chasing a ball into the street right in front of a car without looking and then suddenly getting hit by that car. Usually in that situation, there is plenty of blame to go around.

As usual, let's just agree to disagree.

[Boltergeist]

As usual, let's just agree to disagree.

Good luck with that.

[Panama]

My head is not in the box score at all. I did watch the game. Watching the plays makes them even worse because they emphasize Allen's ten cent fart of a brain as Allen's mistakes seem to come more from stupidity than from a lack of physical ability.

I realize Davis failed to avoid Allen. I also realize that Allen drifted late into a pack of players, which has been discussed by others at some length. Both players are to blame. Neither player gets a pass from me. I am not sure why you are trying to give Allen a pass when his screw up in how he attempted to catch the punt had as much to do with the muff as Davis' failure to get out of his way did.

How many fumbles did Allen have? Allow me first to remind you that one cannot fumble the ball if one does not possess or, on a punt return, touch the ball. This has nothing to do with who you feel is at fault. Allen did not have two fumbles. End of discussion.

[Yubaking]

How many fumbles did Allen have? Allow me first to remind you that one cannot fumble the ball if one does not possess or, on a punt return, touch the ball. This has nothing to do with who you feel is at fault. Allen did not have two fumbles. End of discussion.

Allen was credited with two fumbles. Your argument is not with me, but with the league's scorekeeper assigned to the game.

[bonehead]

Man, this message board.

I've missed some time and in trying to catch up I haven't read one decent thread.

This is OIP's fucked up way of saying " without my presence on the forum the quality of posts has plummeted"

[homeless simpson]

Panama and Yuba should go get a room.

[Panama]

Allen was credited with two fumbles. Your argument is not with me, but with the league's scorekeeper assigned to the game.

As I have said already, this is why I told you to get your nose out of the box score. I know what the box score says about Allen's fumbles. Irrespective of who you think is at fault for the muff, Allen cannot have fumbled a ball he did not touch, so the box score is wrong, and you need to be smart enough to recognize that.

[Yubaking]

As I have said already, this is why I told you to get your nose out of the box score. I know what the box score says about Allen's fumbles. Irrespective of who you think is at fault for the muff, Allen cannot have fumbled a ball he did not touch, so the box score is wrong, and you need to be smart enough to recognize that.

I have no issue with that, but we are all stuck with stupid statistical results from time to time. Harvin has a TD against us on a 51 yard run even though the refs may have been the only people on earth that didn't see him step out of bounds. It still counts as a TD, but I agree that one can argue that the scoring was wrong.

[Bolt-O]

Muffs technically aren't fumbles. ;0

[Panama]

Muffs technically aren't fumbles. ;0

I wouldn't mind a fumble with a muff...

[Mister Hoarse]

Panama and Yuba should go get a room.

Here's a private little spot where they can "talk"...

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