Welcome Josh Palmer, WR, Tennessee (Pick #77)

[Pat_Swindle]

If Palmer gets, say, 650-700 yards and 6 TDs, I'd say that's a solid leap in production. I realize Ekeler is the Chargers WR3, technically, but with how good Herbie is, his 'actual' WR3 should be putting up those numbers.

[Guest]

I'm starting to see a lot more people hyping up Josh Palmer these days. Seems to me he has a bit of juice. I saw enough flashes to believe in him. Could be the X-Factor to Herbert winning this year's MVP/getting to the playoffs.

Palmer was already ridiculously overhyped last year. Honestly, when he failed to live up to last year's hype, one would have thought that people would not be so quick to consider Palmer as a breakout candidate this year.

Palmer is simply a backup WR with a skillset that is similar in some ways to those of Allen and Williams only he is not as good as they are. The best use for Palmer is to play him instead of Allen or Williams when they do not play. I think playing a 3 WR set with those 3 as the 3 WRs is a mistake. In 3 WR sets, Guyton should be the third WR with Allen and Williams because Guyton adds the deep speed that Allen and Williams do not have. He complements Allen and Williams much more so than Palmer does.

If our top 2 WRs were Tyreek Hill and Brandin Cooks, then using Palmer as a third, bigger bodied precise route running possession receiver would make more sense if one assumes that Palmer is a better route runner than Guyton is. In terms of size, Guyton and Palmer are virtual clones with both being the same height and Guyton being two pounds heavier.

IMO, the leading candidate to be the "X-Factor" for Herbert is Gerald Everett. If Herbert and Everett are on the same page, Everett easily has a chance to put up career best numbers.

[sonorajim]

I'll be looking for "other" (non MW, KA, Ek) receivers to get more opportunities with a lead and solid D. Spreading it around makes sense. Have the big guns healthy and on good legs in the playoffs. Get the depth tuned up.
Use MW, KA, Ek when we need 'em, especially vs Div opponents.
Anytime we can establish a lead, run more RBx, throw more routes to others, take time away from opponents O, we're preparing for the playoffs.

[sonorajim]

Palmer was already ridiculously overhyped last year. Honestly, when he failed to live up to last year's hype, one would have thought that people would not be so quick to consider Palmer as a breakout candidate this year.

Palmer is simply a backup WR with a skillset that is similar in some ways to those of Allen and Williams only he is not as good as they are. The best use for Palmer is to play him instead of Allen or Williams when they do not play. I think playing a 3 WR set with those 3 as the 3 WRs is a mistake. In 3 WR sets, Guyton should be the third WR with Allen and Williams because Guyton adds the deep speed that Allen and Williams do not have. He complements Allen and Williams much more so than Palmer does.

If our top 2 WRs were Tyreek Hill and Brandin Cooks, then using Palmer as a third, bigger bodied precise route running possession receiver would make more sense if one assumes that Palmer is a better route runner than Guyton is. In terms of size, Guyton and Palmer are virtual clones with both being the same height and Guyton being two pounds heavier.

IMO, the leading candidate to be the "X-Factor" for Herbert is Gerald Everett. If Herbert and Everett are on the same page, Everett easily has a chance to put up career best numbers.

Agree re Everett. I think others will post better numbers based on top 3 getting fewer snaps to keep them fresh.

[blueman]

Guyton: 3rd worst in the league at getting off the line. If he can’t get off the line then he won’t get looks from Herbie cuz he won’t be where he should be in his route. It’s why Palmer started getting a lot more throws his way late in the season, he doesn’t have that problem.

Guyton’s gonna have to fight real hard, against better and better CBs, if he wants to hang onto that #4 WR spot, much less move up the depth chart, regardless of speed.

[21&500]

My vote is for Parham
think he's physically fine and has more potential to explore.
so nimble for a big guy, sneaky YAC ability makes him a unique target at all 3 levels.
By seasons end he'll be TE1 and make a case for a new contract with us.

[Maniaque 6]

Just saw KC's game at LA last year.
Palmer looked very good.
J. Cook was horrible.

[sonorajim]

Guyton: 3rd worst in the league at getting off the line. If he can’t get off the line then he won’t get looks from Herbie cuz he won’t be where he should be in his route. It’s why Palmer started getting a lot more throws his way late in the season, he doesn’t have that problem.

Guyton’s gonna have to fight real hard, against better and better CBs, if he wants to hang onto that #4 WR spot, much less move up the depth chart, regardless of speed.

I don't know. Staley was giving props to Guyton following OTAs but it's hard to say what was on his mind. Guyton will get a chance, up to him to make the most of it.
He'll practice against some top DBs.

[Guest]

Guyton: 3rd worst in the league at getting off the line. If he can’t get off the line then he won’t get looks from Herbie cuz he won’t be where he should be in his route. It’s why Palmer started getting a lot more throws his way late in the season, he doesn’t have that problem.

Guyton’s gonna have to fight real hard, against better and better CBs, if he wants to hang onto that #4 WR spot, much less move up the depth chart, regardless of speed.

You have it completely reversed. Herbert routinely looked for other receivers first. Guyton was almost always last in the progression, though it is funny how a guy who supposedly could not get off the line got past everyone so frequently when our other receivers could not.

Basically, Palmer is the C- version of Allen and the D- version of Williams. His deep game has been an F-, actually creating one INT (in a game in which Guyton came back to the ball and fought through a defender to catch a TD, demonstrating the difference between Guyton's good contested catch ability and Palmer's horrible contested catch ability) and failing to prevent another INT that should have been prevented and no doubt would have been had Guyton not been out with with Covid in that game (against HOU).

Obviously, Staley and Telesco like Palmer, which is why they reached for him and have overhyped him since day 1. The whole front office simply failed to comprehend how useful the deep game was, jettisoning one deep threat WR that had an elite production rate with Herbert in limited snaps and refusing to throw the ball to the other to the point that the national media was complaining about Lombardi's refusal to take advantage of Herbert's deep passing game while Herbert was then in the bottom 5 in air yards per attempt (which represents absolute idiocy on the part of any OC with Herbert as his QB).

Palmer is a solid backup WR. That is all. He is not the best 3rd WR for the 2022 Chargers because his skillset does not complement those of Allen and Williams like Guyton's does. Among our fans on this forum, Guyton is very easily the most underrated player on the roster.

If we start the "slow, slower and slowest" WR group (Palmer, Williams and Allen), get ready for defenses to squat on us and cheat to stop passes in the short zones, stopping drive after drive. Or, maybe we could be smart about and use Guyton, both in terms of throwing the ball deep and allowing him to help clear out the short passing area like Hill did so well for KC for many years.

[Steve]

Between the competition at #3 WR, Ekeler and Spiller, plus the TE, I think there are some weapons for the O to find additional production. Guyton, Spiller, Palmer, Parham ... there is nothing that necessarily limits just one of them stepping up in a single offseason. A lot of it will depend on how teams try and defend our offense, but the tools are there.

[Guest]

I don't know. Staley was giving props to Guyton following OTAs but it's hard to say what was on his mind. Guyton will get a chance, up to him to make the most of it.
He'll practice against some top DBs.

My understanding was that he was emphasizing Guyton's speed and offseason training and how that will help Guyton on special teams, though one would think that a head coach that is so hell bent on stopping the other team's deep passing game might consider the value of one's own deep passing game. (SMH in already knowing that they are going to screw this up and give snaps to Palmer that would be better used by Guyton and that the offense will suffer because of it.)

[dmac_bolt]

You have it completely reversed. Herbert routinely looked for other receivers first. Guyton was almost always last in the progression, though it is funny how a guy who supposedly could not get off the line got past everyone so frequently when our other receivers could not.

Basically, Palmer is the C- version of Allen and the D- version of Williams. His deep game has been an F-, actually creating one INT (in a game in which Guyton came back to the ball and fought through a defender to catch a TD, demonstrating the difference between Guyton's good contested catch ability and Palmer's horrible contested catch ability) and failing to prevent another INT that should have been prevented and no doubt would have been had Guyton not been out with with Covid in that game (against HOU).

Obviously, Staley and Telesco like Palmer, which is why they reached for him and have overhyped him since day 1. The whole front office simply failed to comprehend how useful the deep game was, jettisoning one deep threat WR that had an elite production rate with Herbert in limited snaps and refusing to throw the ball to the other to the point that the national media was complaining about Lombardi's refusal to take advantage of Herbert's deep passing game while Herbert was then in the bottom 5 in air yards per attempt (which represents absolute idiocy on the part of any OC with Herbert as his QB).

Palmer is a solid backup WR. That is all. He is not the best 3rd WR for the 2022 Chargers because his skillset does not complement those of Allen and Williams like Guyton's does. Among our fans on this forum, Guyton is very easily the most underrated player on the roster.

If we start the "slow, slower and slowest" WR group (Palmer, Williams and Allen), get ready for defenses to squat on us and cheat to stop passes in the short zones, stopping drive after drive. Or, maybe we could be smart about and use Guyton, both in terms of throwing the ball deep and allowing him to help clear out the short passing area like Hill did so well for KC for many years.

You’re still wrong on all of this. Tbilly Resurrection coming soon … a good rule of thumb is more words you write into a post, the less correct it is likely to be. you fail to understand how important it is for a receiver to get open. Palmer gets open. Of course he is #3 when Allen is #1 and Williams is #2. Thats a compliment to 1 and 2 more than a knock on 3 imo. Your assessment that Guyton fights for the ball more than Palmer is just silly.