Chargers 3/4 is not a 3/4, OK...

[Lightningwill_420]

We may be thinking the same. The issue is that you think of OLB in our system as being true LB. They are DL. There is hardly any difference between our OLB and a 43 DE. So, why is drafting a DE and DL for a 43 D and for a 34 D not helping our DL up front? It is the same position, it is about establishing a new line, penetrating and making plays behind the line. WHy is that any different because we call them OLB instead of calling them DE?

Hence, I was wrong that I was wrong. Am I right?

[Formula 21]

The draft mags were now calling the position EDGE.

[bonehead]

Hence, I was wrong that I was wrong. Am I right?

nope..wrong again.again

[Lightningwill_420]

nope..wrong again.again

That's what she said.

Speaking of things that are wrong with our defense, Donald Butler's contract.

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And his posts are like a box of chocolates.

If the chocolates had a few washers, cotter pins, aspirin, viagra, raisins, rabbit poops, a cufflink, some shag carpeting fiber, a car key, part of a kid's toy, and maybe some scrabble letters almost forming a word...

I kid. Ah loves you Stinky.

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And of course Stinky, too.

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[bonehead]

That's what she said.

Speaking of things that are wrong with our defense, Donald Butler's contract.

Bolts may end up eating that thing unless Butler turns it around......

[Steve]

If you have to draft an OLB every year, doesn't that mean the requirements for the position are too tough? Time to design a better system.

I don't think it is that. Name a single team that has depth among their pass rushers? If any team does, they won't keep it for long. You are just constantly reloading that position.

If we develop a guy and he becomes a 15 sack a year, can we afford to pay him the $10-15 million+ per year it would cost to keep him? And it is really a lot more then that, because you don't need 1 pass rusher, you need several. Having 1 good pass rusher is almost useless. The OL will slide the protection to him, chip him, and the QB will step up or roll away. 1 pass rusher does no good at all, even if he is the best pass rusher in football. No consistency. You have to collapse the pocket, and that comes from bringing pressure from all angles, play after play after play. That means you need several guys, not just 1.

It takes pass rushers several years to develop. Sure, every few years the top couple of pass rushers will come in and be good right off the bat, but that is rare. You can't count on it, even if they are a top 5 draft pick. Most rookie pass rushers come in and are a step or two slow. But as they learn moves, get more efficient, adjust to the speed, the pass rushing develops. But it also means that if you want a pass rush for the coming season, you need to do something about it 2 or 3 years ahead of time. And not all of them will develop, so keep some in the pipeline, keep bring in lots, and that helps to make up for an occasional miss.

And let's not forget, this isn't unique to our D. This is all of them. 43, 34, cover 2 (43), classic 43 D (giants)....... There are not enough pass rushers out there. FA over values them, so keeping 2 or 3 top pass rushers is just not a good fit to the cap. But you don't really have any choice.

How much of Seattle losing the SB was due to Cliff Avril missing most of the SB and Seattle not having a pass rush against NE after he left in the 2nd quarter? I don't know about you, but Seattle was controlling the game till then, then it was pretty even. If Seattle had been able to mount a pass rush in the 2nd half, I don't think NE had a chance. But they couldn't afford to keep an aging Chris Clemons, so drafting players is the only way you develop depth in pass rush.

Next man up means you have to have someone who can be expected to do that, not just hope and pray the scrub you took can overachieve because of the lack of planning and preparation.

Besides, look at our recent draft history. In 3 TT drafts, we have Williams, Attaochu and Emanuel. 3 drafts, 3 new OLB. Keeping them coming. It's not like it is a waste. We are going to keep a ton of LB to play ST. Just stash OLB types to be those ST players. Williams is turned into a good ST player and Emmanuel has the makings of a good ST guy (attitude and skills). Attaochu blocked a punt as a rookie. Add in Corderro Law. We seem to be doing it. But even if we had a new DC, new D, I would still say we need to draft an edge rusher every year.

[Steve]

http://espn.go.com/blog/washington-r...-what-you-want

Washington Redskins defensive coordinator Joe Barry's appearance on ESPN980 last week led to this blog post, about what defensive stat mattered most to the overall team success. (For what it's worth, third-down percentage was not on there; did not go that deep. But for those asking: The top two teams over the past three seasons have losing records. Six of the top 10 have winning records. Seattle, whose defense was top four in the other categories, was 10th for the last three seasons combined. However, last season nine of the top 10 teams on third down had winning records. So, yes, it's huge as well and should have been mentioned in the article. Now you know.)

Anyway, back to Barry. He offered comments on a few other topics of interest during his time with Chris Cooley, Steve Czaban and Al Galdi:

On running the 3-4: "I was a 4-3 guy for years and then the last four years in San Diego, being involved in the 3-4. That’s the thing people don’t realize: You’re in a base 3-4 about 15-18 snaps a game because the NFL has gotten to the point where it’s a sub league, meaning they’re in nickel personnel groups about 75 to 80 percent of the time. When you’re talking about a base 3-4 team or a base 4-3 team, that’s 20 percent of the game. The other 80 percent you’re in nickel, you’re in dime. So, no, I really don’t get hung up and caught up in base 4-3 or base 3-4. I learned it. I really enjoyed it the last four years and it’s a perfect fit here because we are built from a base defense to be a 3-4.”

MOre on how much teams spend in their nickle package

[Lightningwill_420]

MOre on how much teams spend in their nickle package

Most defenses aren't worth a dime anymore.

[KNSD]

How much of Seattle losing the SB was due to Cliff Avril missing most of the SB and Seattle not having a pass rush against NE after he left in the 2nd quarter?

I saw the game a bit differently. NE picked on the backup CB after the starter left the game due to injury.

But otherwise you make some great points about continually drafting OLB/DEs. I'm convinced.

[KNSD]

Most defenses aren't worth a dime anymore.

Joe Pascale was doing this substitution thing in the 90's. Glad to see the rest of the NFL has finally caught up.

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San Diego Chargers LB Melvin Ingram loses 20 pounds
 RYAN WOODEN MAY 26, 2015


Since being drafted No. 18 overall by the San Diego Chargers in the 2012 NFL Draft, outside linebacker Melvin Ingram has had a heck of a time staying on the field. As a rookie, he played in all 16 games but he started just two as he had to adjust to the daily grind of the NFL after dominating at South Carolina.

Over the past two seasons, Ingram has shown flashes of being ready to make an impact but he has missed 19 games due to injury. In order to combat injury in 2015 and prove that the Chargers made the right choice by picking up his team option for 2016, Ingram spent this offseason reshaping his body and losing weight in an attempt to put less stress on his joints.

In an interview with Michael Gehlken of the San Diego Union-Times, Ingram documented his offseason workout regimen and the new diet that helped him lose 20 pounds this offseason. Gehlken also spoke with Ingram’s personal trainer in Miami, who marveled at how obsessed Ingram has become with his new lifestyle.

Essentially, Ingram cut out red meat and pork, bread, potatoes and pasta, going heavy on fish and chicken, fruits, vegetables, eggwhites and oatmeal. He began working out twice a day (weightlifting in the morning and cardio/plyometrics in the afternoon) for six days a week.

The result is that Ingram now tips the scales at 246 pounds and has just eight percent body fat after playing last season with the Chargers at 266 pounds. Now, with Dwight Freeney being allowed to walk and Jarret Johnson retiring this offseason, Ingram will be relied upon heavily to give the Chargers a pass-rushing presence off the edge.

He’s been that in the past, but the hope is that a healthier, lighter, more powerful Ingram will be able to sustain throughout the rigors of a 16-game season thanks in large part to his new lifestyle