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  • #61
    So if this stat is right, we’re actually pretty middle of the road. The Patriots are actually the most conservative on 4th downs.

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    • #62
      The answer is no. Forget last week, we would have lost if we punted. That game was doomed, it was one of those days.

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      • #63
        I don't think Staley should stop going for it. But I don't think he should do it at every drop of the hat either. Team was 2/4 in the Eagles game. The play where the team was 4 and 2 giving the ball to Joshua Kelley was not a good play. The offense gets predictable sometimes.

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        • #64
          Still have no problem with any 4th down call thus far
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          RB Leonard Fournette
          DT Sebastian Joseph-Day
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          • #65
            Originally posted by ChargersPowderBlue View Post
            I don't think Staley should stop going for it. But I don't think he should do it at every drop of the hat either. Team was 2/4 in the Eagles game. The play where the team was 4 and 2 giving the ball to Joshua Kelley was not a good play. The offense gets predictable sometimes.
            He’s not going for it willy nilly. There’s a statistical reason behind his decision. Example below:

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            • #66
              I love it. It is agression. I would rather be agressive than passive. Especially on the road.

              I question the play calling more than going for it. Me personally I would try and get Herbert on the run more to open up the field. The kid shows practially every week he can put the ball between the numbers when he's on the run.

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              • #67
                Interesting ... Rams just went for it a similar situation, failed to convert. And now Stafford rolled his ankle.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
                  Interesting ... Rams just went for it a similar situation, failed to convert. And now Stafford rolled his ankle.
                  On a stupid play where the smart thing to do is eat the sack
                  he had a similar but worse play earlier
                  This is the veteran quarterback play the Rams gave up so much to trade for
                  Stafford had a shit game as did many MVP front runners like Josh Allen
                  Our guy might still be in the mix for MVP
                  Jackson had a good game (stats) but two Ints
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                  DT Sebastian Joseph-Day
                  DE Jadeveon Clowney

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                  • #69
                    I'm good with the team using analytics to help them make decisions on critical downs, but the reliance on them can lead to predictability. It's now almost a given that the Chargers will go for it on 4th down and less than 3 to go, so its normally not a surprise to the other team, which may not be included in that probability of success. Anything wrong in the actual call, or execution, you lower the probability of success, that's a given. However analytics are better than a feeling in the gut, or flying by the seat of your pants.

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                    • #70
                      I could do without the toss sweep/bunch crunch as being one of the plays being called on 4th down.

                      Lombardi is keeping the family tradition of spreading teams out horizontally and making them defend the whole field, but maybe 4th down isn't the best time to try spreading a defense wide that. He needs to try them, just not 4th down.

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Steve View Post
                        I could do without the toss sweep/bunch crunch as being one of the plays being called on 4th down.

                        Lombardi is keeping the family tradition of spreading teams out horizontally and making them defend the whole field, but maybe 4th down isn't the best time to try spreading a defense wide that. He needs to try them, just not 4th down.
                        He did keep doing tosses and sweeps later in the game. Just not on fourth down.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Bolt-O View Post
                          I'm good with the team using analytics to help them make decisions on critical downs, but the reliance on them can lead to predictability. It's now almost a given that the Chargers will go for it on 4th down and less than 3 to go, so its normally not a surprise to the other team, which may not be included in that probability of success. Anything wrong in the actual call, or execution, you lower the probability of success, that's a given. However analytics are better than a feeling in the gut, or flying by the seat of your pants.
                          I don’t think going for it on 4th down was meant to be unpredictable. A fake punt is unpredictable. But what we’re doing is like any other down that an opponent has to stop. You still need to have the right plays and execute. That’s something analytics can’t predict.

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