Thoughts On Cutting Keenan Allen?

[wu-dai clan]

There is too much oversimplification going on here.

Many skills and traits go into the makeup of a good running back.

I might add in the factor of what it is that would augment, upgrade and/or suit Moore and Herbert.

Stopwatches, scales and tape measures do not cut it.

[sonorajim]

Oh tell me how you really feel lol.

I think at 21, BPA is the way to go as we need upgrades of talent at multiple positions including RB (“good enough” sucks), WR (our passing game - our identity - goes down the tubes when one WR is out, not acceptable), OL (cuz OL). A top TE would not suck, gotta focus on I like we focused on D last year.

I don’t think Bijan needs 20 carries to have a big impact in games, but I’m stupid.

Agree BPA at this point. Pre-draft decisions yet to be made will impact draft.
We had a #30 rushing offense with a RB that was NFL #2 in rushing TDs. IMO that was a coaching - play calling issue.
I would probably take Bijan based on his rare combination of qualities.
LT & Sproles redeux. (joke- not totally)

[wu-dai clan]

Agree BPA at this point. Pre-draft decisions yet to be made will impact draft.
We had a #30 rushing offense with a RB that was NFL #2 in rushing TDs. IMO that was a coaching - play calling issue.
I would probably take Bijan based on his rare combination of qualities.
LT & Sproles redeux. (joke- not totally)

TPB will salivate over particular skill position players of their choosing during the Combine.

[sonorajim]

TPB will salivate over particular skill position players of their choosing during the Combine.

Of that I have no doubt. Us included.

[DerwinBosa]

A running team has the offensive line and auxilary pieces (tight ends/wide recievers) spend more time practicing run blocking than pass protection. When they do pass, play action is a big part of the passing game. If the running game is shut down, the passing game doesn't work well because the offensive line will not be prepared to hold up to the exotic 2nd /3rd down pass rush packages that D coordinators will bring.

If you draft Bijan Robinson, you will have to spend more time preparing to run the football. You can't prepare the same way as last year and then just stick him in there and tell him to succeed (look at how well he did against Alabama). It would be a waste of a top draft pick if you didn't.

The defense has to be one that benefits significantly by field position. Pinning offenses inside their twenty and watching Staley's defense bend and then break again and again would be a killer.

So let me get this straight. As I mentioned in my previous post in 2021 the Cowboys ran for 2,119 yards while passing for 4,800 yards. In case you didn't know, last season the Tennessee Titans, who I assume you define as a running team, rushed for 2,131 yards, only 12 more than the 2021 Cowboys. In 2021 the Cincinnati Bengals as a team had 4,403 passing yards.How were the 2021 Cowboys able to reach this remarkable feat of passing for more yardage than the 2021 Bengals and running for nearly the same amount of yardage as last season's Titans? Did the 2021 Cowboys practice the running game so much that they neglected the aerial attack?

(Note: I couldn't use the 2022 Bengals as an example because they played only 16 games).

[DerwinBosa]

Reported.

Deserved.

[DerwinBosa]

If you draft Bijan Robinson, you will have to spend more time preparing to run the football. You can't prepare the same way as last year and then just stick him in there and tell him to succeed (look at how well he did against Alabama). It would be a waste of a top draft pick if you didn't.

Well, that's it. You claim the guy had one bad game in college and would be a waste of time developing in the NFL because doing so would destroy our passing game. I'm convinced!

[DerwinBosa]

You are missing the overall point. It is not to sacrifice the passing game's ability to score points or be able to come from behind. How will the Chargers be able to keep defenses out of 8 and 9 man fronts if they get rid of the decent receivers and keep average players who struggle to beat man coverage or beat zone defenses? We need to improve the run game as part of the general improvement, not at the expense of another part of the offense. We need to attack both with the passing game and the running game.


Also, why draft a RB in round 1? There are plenty of good RB later in the draft. Draft Robinson in the 1st round, with a 1st round salary, and you are basically going to be underutilizing him. Its not as much a field strategy thing as it is a resource management issue. Would a passing team with a Herbert-level QB ever fully utilize their ability/draft status/salary cap which is significant for a 1st round RB? I'm not convinced any team needs a 1st round RB since even a ground-and-pound team needs so much depth or an RB-by-committee approach.

I also don't think our problem is the RB. Sure, the guys we have aren't that great, but they are OK. The problem when RB are getting hit so much in the backfield and tackled for a loss, it's the OL. You need good OL run or pass, and I think our real problem in the running game is: A) a lack of TE/perimeter blocking FB and B). We can't didn't attack the middle of defenses - largely because our TE sucked.

Blueman lacks any ability to comprehend anything beyond black and white. His stupid power is his reek of stupidity.

I don't think drafting Robinson in the first round will be at the expense of the passing game. If Keenan does depart, I think Telesco will replace him with a free agent who will cost less, and use a draft pick on a wide receiver. Mike Williams, whom I don't think gets enough credit on this board (until he gets injured in a meaningless regular-season game and is out for the playoffs), is more than fine as the #1. Finding a #2 shouldn't be that difficult. I think Williams and others will carry the load better than others here seem to expect in Moore's offense should Keenan depart. Moore went through this last season, after Amari Cooper left.

And I'm not saying Telesco has to draft Robinson in the first round. I just believe Robinson will be the best option in Round 1 over the players at other positions that others here believe are greater needs. Sure, I would much rather have a dominant pass-rusher or defensive tackle in the first round over a running back. I just don't want us to pass on a Josh Jacobs (24th overall pick), Jonathan Taylor (41st overall pick), or Derrick Henry (45th overall pick) and end up with a Jerry Tillery or Kenneth Murray.

Yes, there is a history of getting great running backs in later rounds. There's also our history of getting Joshua Kelley, Marion Grice, Gartrell Johnson, Isiah Spiller, and Justin Jackson at the position with mid-to-late round picks. There are also plenty of recent examples of good or great wide receivers being picked after the first round (D.K. Metcalf, A.J. Brown, Tyreek Hill, and our very own Keenan Allen). There's probably an even better history of good or great tight ends going later than the first round (Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Dallas Goedert, to name a few). So, passing on the best player available in the first round just because history shows you can find another good or great player at the same position later in the draft is pure stupidity.

[blueman]

I don't think drafting Robinson in the first round will be at the expense of the passing game. If Keenan does depart, I think Telesco will replace him with a free agent who will cost less, and use a draft pick on a wide receiver. Mike Williams, whom I don't think gets enough credit on this board (until he gets injured in a meaningless regular-season game and is out for the playoffs), is more than fine as the #1. Finding a #2 shouldn't be that difficult. I think Williams and others will carry the load better than others here seem to expect in Moore's offense should Keenan depart. Moore went through this last season, after Amari Cooper left.

And I'm not saying Telesco has to draft Robinson in the first round. I just believe Robinson will be the best option in Round 1 over the players at other positions that others here believe are greater needs. Sure, I would much rather have a dominant pass-rusher or defensive tackle in the first round over a running back. I just don't want us to pass on a Josh Jacobs (24th overall pick), Jonathan Taylor (41st overall pick), or Derrick Henry (45th overall pick) and end up with a Jerry Tillery or Kenneth Murray.

Yes, there is a history of getting great running backs in later rounds. There's also our history of getting Joshua Kelley, Marion Grice, Gartrell Johnson, Isiah Spiller, and Justin Jackson at the position with mid-to-late round picks. There are also plenty of recent examples of good or great wide receivers being picked after the first round (D.K. Metcalf, A.J. Brown, Tyreek Hill, and our very own Keenan Allen). There's probably an even better history of good or great tight ends going later than the first round (Travis Kelce, George Kittle, Dallas Goedert, to name a few). So, passing on the best player available in the first round just because history shows you can find another good or great player at the same position later in the draft is pure stupidity.

Sensible. But I’m with stupid, so…

[21&500]

KA is the last surviving SD Charger draftee.
when he's gone, there will not be anymore SD ties, on the field at least.
what a trip.

[powderblueboy]

So let me get this straight. As I mentioned in my previous post in 2021 the Cowboys ran for 2,119 yards while passing for 4,800 yards. In case you didn't know, last season the Tennessee Titans, who I assume you define as a running team, rushed for 2,131 yards, only 12 more than the 2021 Cowboys. In 2021 the Cincinnati Bengals as a team had 4,403 passing yards.How were the 2021 Cowboys able to reach this remarkable feat of passing for more yardage than the 2021 Bengals and running for nearly the same amount of yardage as last season's Titans? Did the 2021 Cowboys practice the running game so much that they neglected the aerial attack?

(Note: I couldn't use the 2022 Bengals as an example because they played only 16 games).

How did the Cowboy offense do in the playoffs?

They couldn't run the ball against San Fran and were effectively dead in the water,
even though the Cowboy D played admirably.

[powderblueboy]

KA is the last surviving SD Charger draftee.
when he's gone, there will not be anymore SD ties, on the field at least.
what a trip.

Bosa was a San Diego Charger draftee.
He played his first year under Mike McCoy.