Thoughts On Cutting Keenan Allen?

[jamrock]

I doubt Bijan will last until 21 so this discussion is largely academic but the notion that we don’t need a huge upgrade at RB is startling to me. We needed it last season. Didn’t get it and it cost us. It’s imperative. I can’t believe there are people who watched this team and think, “oh we’re good at RB”.

[DerwinBosa]

I see Bijan Robinson going to the Bills at #27 in a few mock drafts. I've also seen him going as high as #10. Who knows at this point?

[Steve]

Kadarius Toney was not drafted by the Chiefs and was given up on by the New York Giants, who desperately needed a receiver. It's very nice that Toney had a key punt return for the Chiefs in the Super Bowl, but nobody is drafting a receiver in the first round with the expectation that he'll catch only 55 passes in his first two years. John Ross signed a reserve/futures contract with the Chiefs on January 9 of this year. He was out of the NFL for the 2022 regular season, and I think it's fair to say he'll be back out of the NFL soon. Since being drafted ninth overall in 2017, Ross has caught 62 passes in 37 games. Juju was not drafted by the Chiefs, either, so I don't know what point you were trying to make there.

I'm still waiting on an answer of who's a better option than Bijan Robinson in the first round. If you can tell me there will be a player at another position available at #21 who would be able to make a greater impact for the Chargers I will be all about picking him. If you can't, I'll just be even more confused as to why you're so against Robinson.

Again, look at Najee Harris for the Steelers. Arguably the best RB in his draft class hasn't done much because he is on a team that can't block for him. How is our situation with Robinson any different? How is t any different than say Saquon Barkley? Zeke? How many "generational" talents can there be at any 5 or 6-year period (not Harris, but the rest of them)? Zeke had a great start for Dallas, but as he has gotten older and the Dallas OL has collapsed, he is a liability now. What makes Robinson any different? We don't have the pieces in place to support him and take advantage of his talents.

We don't have any TE outside of Parham who can run block (well, we have plenty of others who block poorly). No FB to lead. How is Robinson going to do much if he keeps getting hit in the backfield?
As far as options, I keep mentioning them.
TE - Mayer and Washington. H-back - Kincaid.

[Bolt4Knob]

Again, look at Najee Harris for the Steelers. Arguably the best RB in his draft class hasn't done much because he is on a team that can't block for him. How is our situation with Robinson any different? How is t any different than say Saquon Barkley? Zeke? How many "generational" talents can there be at any 5 or 6-year period (not Harris, but the rest of them)? Zeke had a great start for Dallas, but as he has gotten older and the Dallas OL has collapsed, he is a liability now. What makes Robinson any different? We don't have the pieces in place to support him and take advantage of his talents.

We don't have any TE outside of Parham who can run block (well, we have plenty of others who block poorly). No FB to lead. How is Robinson going to do much if he keeps getting hit in the backfield?
As far as options, I keep mentioning them.
TE - Mayer and Washington. H-back - Kincaid.

I agree that if the OLine is not capable of run blocking, the talents of Bijan Robinson might be wasted.

[blueman]

I’d like to think Bijan could help our running game (or any team’s running game) flawed as it is even. And I give two fucks if his talent is “underutilized “ as long as he’s improving our running game lol. That’s like saying, Clipboard Jesus is our starting QB and we have the first pick in the draft, but we shouldn’t pick the best QB coming out of college cuz we suck and his talents will be wasted lol. Yes, the OL needs work, but that’s not a fucking reason to not draft the best RB coming out in years to help our run game, that’s crazy talk (but I’d also be happy with Gibbs).

[wu-dai clan]

Moore likes unusual groupings to create matchup advantages. I expect us to stockpile weapons of different types.

[Boltjolt]

Again, look at Najee Harris for the Steelers. Arguably the best RB in his draft class hasn't done much because he is on a team that can't block for him. How is our situation with Robinson any different? How is t any different than say Saquon Barkley? Zeke? How many "generational" talents can there be at any 5 or 6-year period (not Harris, but the rest of them)? Zeke had a great start for Dallas, but as he has gotten older and the Dallas OL has collapsed, he is a liability now. What makes Robinson any different? We don't have the pieces in place to support him and take advantage of his talents.

We don't have any TE outside of Parham who can run block (well, we have plenty of others who block poorly). No FB to lead. How is Robinson going to do much if he keeps getting hit in the backfield?
As far as options, I keep mentioning them.
TE - Mayer and Washington. H-back - Kincaid.

Well, he is arguably the best RB in his draft class. I really liked Javonte Williams and Travis Etienne as well. I had Jovante #1 but thats me. Denvers OL isnt that great and he has averaged 4.4 YPC. You say our OL isnt that great and Ekeler averaged 4.5 YPC. Whats that say for the other RBs we have?

Kelly had a 4.2 and the others below 3 YPC. But yeah, im still for giving Spiller his shot. If he plays well in PS and we draft Bijan it just means Kelly can possibly be cut....or Horvath.

I get not spending a first on a RB but if they are special, why not? However, im still for BPA and if Bijan is BPA, draft him. If he is gone, next BPA. If that is Kincaid, draft him. If its an Edge, draft him.

Washington isnt going to be much of a TE for anything other than blocking. You dont use a first round pick on that type of TE.

[Boltgang74]

If Bijan is there at 21 ya draft him period.If the o line is too weak to run block after this many draft picks and tweekin on it then we are just screwed either way.

[jamrock]

If Bijan is there at 21 ya draft him period.If the o line is too weak to run block after this many draft picks and tweekin on it then we are just screwed either way.

Agree. At a certain point you have to look at who’s running the show on the OL instead of just recycling players. This isn’t a “skill position”. It’s a coordination/discipline issue.

[SK21209]

I doubt Bijan will last until 21 so this discussion is largely academic but the notion that we don’t need a huge upgrade at RB is startling to me. We needed it last season. Didn’t get it and it cost us. It’s imperative. I can’t believe there are people who watched this team and think, “oh we’re good at RB”.

It's more about taking any RB in the first round for me. Bijan is awesome, I fully believe he's the best RB prospect since Saquon. I'm just not sure how much value an awesome RB adds when you don't already have a complete team. Saquon had over 2000 scrimmage yards his rookie year but the Giants were 5-11. In terms of making the leap from bad team to decent, Daniel Jones improving from terrible to decent was way more impactful than Saquon being awesome. Their DLine becoming a real strength was way more impactful than Saquon being awesome. CMAC can transform the Niners offense because they already set at pretty much every position besides RB, on the Panthers him being awesome didn't do much for them.

I think improving our passcatching and passrushing groups are just more important than adding a stud RB.

[Bolt4Knob]

It's more about taking any RB in the first round for me. Bijan is awesome, I fully believe he's the best RB prospect since Saquon. I'm just not sure how much value an awesome RB adds when you don't already have a complete team. Saquon had over 2000 scrimmage yards his rookie year but the Giants were 5-11. In terms of making the leap from bad team to decent, Daniel Jones improving from terrible to decent was way more impactful than Saquon being awesome. Their DLine becoming a real strength was way more impactful than Saquon being awesome. CMAC can transform the Niners offense because they already set at pretty much every position besides RB, on the Panthers him being awesome didn't do much for them.

I think improving our passcatching and passrushing groups are just more important than adding a stud RB.

Agree. More pass rush on defense; better play makers on the outside on offense.

[Boltgang74]

Sadly I agree we need better depth at WR and Edge but ya can't just pass up on BPA for need especially when it's in the 1st round.Should we have passed up on LT for a need?Dude is as good a RB and player as you can ask for and if available I think we would be fools to pass on him.