Thoughts On Cutting Keenan Allen?

[Bolt4Knob]

Sadly I agree we need better depth at WR and Edge but ya can't just pass up on BPA for need especially when it's in the 1st round.Should we have passed up on LT for a need?Dude is as good a RB and player as you can ask for and if available I think we would be fools to pass on him.

If that is the case that Bijan is clearly the best player on the board - maybe this is where Telesco could leverage that player and trade back to get more picks and still hit your needs with later picks getting one more pick

I agree about taking talent. But the Chargers, like you said, have such a glaring need for a playmaking WR as well as another Edge rusher - I would prefer more picks than picking RB to take BPA. The Chargers need first round talent at WR, Edge or even RT - it seems RB is a bit of a luxury for this offense with this run blocking Oline.

(I understand it takes two to tango with a trade and many of us remember Troy P for the Candyman and Kiel)

[SK21209]

Sadly I agree we need better depth at WR and Edge but ya can't just pass up on BPA for need especially when it's in the 1st round.Should we have passed up on LT for a need?Dude is as good a RB and player as you can ask for and if available I think we would be fools to pass on him.

2001 was a very different time in the NFL than 2023. You could build a great offense around a special RB because every team slammed their RB up the middle against juiced-up DLineman and LBers 15 times a games. Schemes are far more complicated now.

I also reject pure BPA as a strategy because positions are not equally important and you already have a roster. Obviously if Bryce Young or Will Levis fell to #21 we wouldn’t pick either of those guys just because they were the BPA. That’s an extreme example, but context matters. EDGE, WR, OT and CB are just more important than RB, period. I’d take a legit first round talent at any of those positions over Bijan, maybe not OT if we’ve already resigned Pip.

[Bolt4Knob]

2001 was a very different time in the NFL than 2023. You could build a great offense around a special RB because every team slammed their RB up the middle against juiced-up DLineman and LBers 15 times a games. Schemes are far more complicated now.

I also reject pure BPA as a strategy because positions are not equally important and you already have a roster. Obviously if Bryce Young or Will Levis fell to #21 we wouldn’t pick either of those guys just because they were the BPA. That’s an extreme example, but context matters. EDGE, WR, OT and CB are just more important than RB, period. I’d take a legit first round talent at any of those positions over Bijan, maybe not OT if we’ve already resigned Pip.

I pretty much agree with this. Also the chargers are up against the cap. they won't have the money in free agency to upgrade the roster. Which is fine . So the Chargers, using a FRPo n a RB - means that Edge or WR gets bumped a round lower; which means the other one is getting bumped, and what about TE. So based on this, 4th round will be WR, Edge or TE.

Popper in his mock draft talked about Rumph as a 4th Edge rusher and ST player. I get he was a 4th rounder - so not a lock to be a starter. But that comment from Popper is kind of bust territory.

So if its Bijan - its Bijan. But I would rather take WR of Edge even if a slightly lower grade than Bijan

[Boltjolt]

It's more about taking any RB in the first round for me. Bijan is awesome, I fully believe he's the best RB prospect since Saquon. I'm just not sure how much value an awesome RB adds when you don't already have a complete team. Saquon had over 2000 scrimmage yards his rookie year but the Giants were 5-11. In terms of making the leap from bad team to decent, Daniel Jones improving from terrible to decent was way more impactful than Saquon being awesome. Their DLine becoming a real strength was way more impactful than Saquon being awesome. CMAC can transform the Niners offense because they already set at pretty much every position besides RB, on the Panthers him being awesome didn't do much for them.

I think improving our passcatching and passrushing groups are just more important than adding a stud RB.

I think we have that position covered.

[jamrock]

2001 was a very different time in the NFL than 2023. You could build a great offense around a special RB because every team slammed their RB up the middle against juiced-up DLineman and LBers 15 times a games. Schemes are far more complicated now.

I also reject pure BPA as a strategy because positions are not equally important and you already have a roster. Obviously if Bryce Young or Will Levis fell to #21 we wouldn’t pick either of those guys just because they were the BPA. That’s an extreme example, but context matters. EDGE, WR, OT and CB are just more important than RB, period. I’d take a legit first round talent at any of those positions over Bijan, maybe not OT if we’ve already resigned Pip.

Disagree about importance and we already have a ton of money invested at CB, Edge, Wr and a #1 pick at LT. RB is the position we’ve ignored and that can’t go on. A top RB would get 15 touches a game. More than a top WR. It’s still an impact position

[Bolt4Knob]

Disagree about importance and we already have a ton of money invested at CB, Edge, Wr and a #1 pick at LT. RB is the position we’ve ignored and that can’t go on. A top RB would get 15 touches a game. More than a top WR. It’s still an impact position

Chargers have a lot invested in WR but they don't scare anybody on the outside. Good players but not dynamic playmakers

Chargers have a lot invested in Edge rushers but still the defense isn't that good.

Chargers have drafted RBs multiple years in a row - probably is - all day three picks - I think two 4ths' a 6th and 7th. So Horvath and Rountree - are what they are -

The Chargers have no idea what they have in Spiller

Again , it brings up the question - why was Telesco given another year on the job.

[Boltjolt]

Chargers have a lot invested in WR but they don't scare anybody on the outside. Good players but not dynamic playmakers

Chargers have a lot invested in Edge rushers but still the defense isn't that good.

Chargers have drafted RBs multiple years in a row - probably is - all day three picks - I think two 4ths' a 6th and 7th. So Horvath and Rountree - are what they are -

The Chargers have no idea what they have in Spiller

Again , it brings up the question - why was Telesco given another year on the job.

Because they wanted to retain Staley and if you fire Telesco, you may not get a good GM who they tell to keep him. This season should seal their fate one way or the other..

[Bolt4Knob]

Because they wanted to retain Staley and if you fire Telesco, you may not get a good GM who they tell to keep him. This season should seal their fate one way or the other..

Good point

and yes, this will seal their fate. And though I bash Telesco - I truly want his teams to succeed. I want him to win the AFCW, get to the Super Bowl and he can personally tell me to eat crow to my face!!!

[gzubeck]

Good point

and yes, this will seal their fate. And though I bash Telesco - I truly want his teams to succeed. I want him to win the AFCW, get to the Super Bowl and he can personally tell me to eat crow to my face!!!

We clung to two very expensive wide receivers this past season. We drafted a guard in the first and then another average RB in the 4th. This season we have great opportunities to draft playmakers everywhere through out the entire draft. That way if one of our receivers goes' down for a few games our entire season is not bankrupt. We thought our only problem was defense but in the end we were struggling on offense as well. We just need a good defense and an offense that just can't be stopped.

[Boltjolt]

Good point

and yes, this will seal their fate. And though I bash Telesco - I truly want his teams to succeed. I want him to win the AFCW, get to the Super Bowl and he can personally tell me to eat crow to my face!!!

Me too, I hate changing HCs every 4 years. Would like one to stay for a long time. Means we are successful.

[Kellyb72601]

Drafting a RB in the 1st round is exactly something Bill Polian would do. I'd say a good draft strategy is doing the exact opposite of what Polian would do as far as positions, type of players etc. Note how Belichik routinely handed Polian his ass nearly every single year & note the differences between the 2 approaches. Belichik lost Tom Brady for a season & finished 11-5. Polian lost Peyton Manning for a season and finished 2-14.

How many games would this football team win without Herbert?

When you have a franchise QB it's more about building sustainable systems & a solid middle class of depth throughout the roster.

Belichik would get a team full of guys like Kyle Van Noy - emphasizing a bigger middle class & size & length over speed. Big linebackers that can take on blocks & run over backs on the blitz. Then he'd develop young players in the secondary emphasizing athletic traits. The end result on defense is you'd have a defense that could stop the run with a 7 man front, bullrush & keep the QB in the pocket, and a high efficiency secondary that could cover because you always have a pipeline of young drafted talent there. Then he'd build a physical Oline that could protect the passer and consistently convert a 3rd and 2 with the run. When you can give a good QB solid protection your receivers matter much less.

For example, a 1st round offensive lineman will likely improve the production of whoever lines up in the backfield on this football team.

Or you can draft Bijan Robinson in round 1 and start Foster Sarell at right tackle and see how that goes.

I like Robinson a lot too, but not if it means having to play practice squad caliber guys at other positions that need upgrades just to be NFL caliber.

Since the chiefs have had patrick mahomes they have a winning record with backup QBs. Just sayin'.

[Boltgang74]

Bijon looks to me to be one of those make chicken salad out of chicken shit type players.His o line wasn't amazing in college.Those are the kinda players we need.Ekke I see the same way.TT may never get us a top 5 O line so gotta start thinkin a different way.Just my opinion.