Thoughts On Cutting Keenan Allen?

[Boltjolt]

Like I said before, if Robinson is the next LT, he will not be there at 21.
We should look to KA/JB replacements.

He might not be but if he is, he would be very hard to pass on. If he isn't there then you go next BPA excluding QB.

[TexanBeerlover]

Trade Bosa before Keenan Allen.
Cut Feiler.
Let free agents walk, get some comps back
and with all those comps actually draft well
in the later rounds.

[Maniaque 6]

BPA might be WR, Ed, or TE

[blueman]

He might not be but if he is, he would be very hard to pass on. If he isn't there then you go next BPA excluding QB.

Thing is, if we do not draft, say either Bijan or Gibbs, odds are we’ll be back to the same place next offseason. We can keep drafting mid/late round RBs for years, and be where we are now. Ekeler is a unicorn, we got lucky.

[Bolt4Knob]

BPA might be WR, Ed, or TE

I think you are correct in terms of BPA and needs
WR
TE
Edge

RB would be nice too

[dmac_bolt]

Aren't you underutilizing a guy like Robinson if you don't go to a mostly running offense? Do you want the ball out of Herbert's hands? Especially throwing the ball downfield. And where do the weapons in the passing game come from if we spend it on a RB (again assuming we cut Allen)?

When I watch Robinson, so many of his best runs, he is behind someone pulling and leading, and he is just SOOO good at timing when to make his move and his vision going into and out of his cut. That's great, but how many NFL OL are doing a lot of pulling and leading of their OL, TE and FB? NFL DL and LB are so quick, those plays get blown up a lot.

The RB is not going to fix the running game problem, at least not by itself. We still need OL, TE and FB.

Is he the best RB in college for the last several years? No question, he is. The question just comes down to whether or not spending a top pick on a RB is worth it. And that is just about as much about who else is available at 21. And how many other good backs are there (there are several).

Here is a video of every touch he had in college (and a few blocks).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ri9...NashTalksTexas

BR would force defenses to respect him and possible rush play call every down he is on the field. That instantly helps Herbie and the pass offense. he can also catch the ball fyi. He makes extra yards that are not there and he can take it to the house on any play. Elite players are elite - BR is not just one of the smoothest backs, he’s 4.4 speed to score every play. i think its sophistry to say an elite RB is not really elite because he’s a RB.

Do NFL OL do a lot of pulling and leading etc? Uh yeah. good teams just do it better than the Charger but I blame Lombo and his staff vs our OL group. Moore is going to fix that shit, he’d fix it even more so with a generational back like BR. 2022 Team Rushing: Cowboys #8, Chargers #30.

your question is there another RB that might do most of what BR can do in a lower round is a really good one - I don’t know on that.

[SK21209]

The quarterback example doesn't fit. We don't have a future Hall of Fame running back in the prime of his career.

Yes, it would be nice to have a player at a more important position sitting there at #21. But how will you feel if we pick another Buster Davis, D.J. Fluker, or Sammy Davis, Jr. at #21 instead of Robinson if Robinson becomes an elite running back?

It would suck. How would you feel if Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison go over 1000 yards as rookies for the Ravens or Giants next year while Bijan turns out to be more Najee Harris than Saquon or LT? None of this is an exact science, especially in the bottom half of the first round. I'd rather gamble on a more important position than RB.

[Bolt4Knob]

It would suck. How would you feel if Zay Flowers or Jordan Addison go over 1000 yards as rookies for the Ravens or Giants next year while Bijan turns out to be more Najee Harris than Saquon or LT? None of this is an exact science, especially in the bottom half of the first round. I'd rather gamble on a more important position than RB.

The Chargers have so many needs - its why I still think trading back is the move. But right now, the pick for me is Edge (the Lukas kid maybe), Flowers or Hyatt. The Chargers have no clue what they have in SPiller

Or maybe they have a clue what they have in Spiller and for whatever reason didn't use him last year.

[SK21209]

The Chargers have so many needs - its why I still think trading back is the move. But right now, the pick for me is Edge (the Lukas kid maybe), Flowers or Hyatt. The Chargers have no clue what they have in SPiller

Or maybe they have a clue what they have in Spiller and for whatever reason didn't use him last year.

Agreed that a trade back that nets us an extra second or third would be ideal, unfortunately that hasn't really been our MO. If we want a WR, I'd also worry about falling behind the Ravens at #22 and the Giants at #25. The EDGEs in play around our pick in most mocks are Nolan Smith and Keion White, I don't know enough about either of them to endorse one or the other but I'd also be perfectly happy with EDGE in the first round.

[blueman]

Agreed that a trade back that nets us an extra second or third would be ideal, unfortunately that hasn't really been our MO. If we want a WR, I'd also worry about falling behind the Ravens at #22 and the Giants at #25. The EDGEs in play around our pick in most mocks are Nolan Smith and Keion White, I don't know enough about either of them to endorse one or the other but I'd also be perfectly happy with EDGE in the first round.

So backup EDGE plays how many snaps? WR, maybe at best third option (not including TE and RB), how many snaps? RB1…whole ‘nuther territory. Even with getting Ekeler his snaps, a shiny new RB of Bijan’s skill helps us win now more than the other picks. IMHO.

[Bolt4Knob]

So backup EDGE plays how many snaps? WR, maybe at best third option (not including TE and RB), how many snaps? RB1…whole ‘nuther territory. Even with getting Ekeler his snaps, a shiny new RB of Bijan’s skill helps us win now more than the other picks. IMHO.

I think a lot of this discussion is based on what happens in a few weeks. The reason I have WR pretty high on the list as I am thinking there is going to be a change in the WR room. As for Edge - you are correct -- they would be behind Bosa and Mack. Would probably get more snaps at this point than Rumph as not sure what he will bring

Chargers have Spiller from last year. Though I am sure bijan is a step up

[richpjr]

Florio's thoughts on kicking the can down the road:

It always makes sense to kick the salary-cap can to future years

Posted by Mike Florio on February 21, 2023, 9:20 AM EST

We’ll be writing and talking a lot in the coming days about teams re-doing deals in order to reduce cap charges in the 2023 league year, and to push cap costs into 2024.

Some teams, like the Saints and G.M. Mickey Loomis, have perfected the craft of kicking the cap can. And it’s not like an unexpectedly high utility bill. When teams sign contracts, they know how the money will hit the cap, with typically lower charges in the early years, increasing cap consequences in later years, and often a bill on the back end that will chew up cap space after the player is gone.

Every year, teams have to reconfigure contracts in order to comply with the cap. Again, it’s never a surprise. It’s part of managing the supposedly hard cap on spending that, as a practical matter, can be engineered through payments that get spread over multiple league years.

And while the dollars inevitably will hit the cap at some point, the fact that the cap keeps going up and up and up makes a cap dollar in 2023 have less of a relative impact in 2024, when the cap spikes again.

For example, a $1 million cap charge means less when the limit is $224.8 million (as it will be this year) than when the limit is $208.2 million (as it was last year). And it will mean even less next year.

The only problem is that these cap maneuverings often require cooperation from players. Plenty of contracts give teams the ability to convert salary (which isn’t spread over multiple years) to signing bonus (which is). And few players would refuse to take cash in hand now.

But then there are players like Tom Brady, whose expiring contract has a $35.1 million cap charge — and whose team would benefit from Brady agreeing to a one-year dummy deal that would allow more than $24 million to be bumped to 2024.

The Bucs reportedly plan to take their medicine this year, which sounds a lot better than saying, “We wanted to reduce the number, but Brady refused to play ball with us.”

Really, why would any team choose to take a full dead-cap charge in any current year, unless they’re looking for cover for cheapness?

Unlike the early days of the cap, when teams had to play contractual games with incentives to carry cap space from one year to the next, it all happens automatically. So if the Bucs would clear $24 million in cap space by re-doing Brady’s deal and ultimately not use it all in 2023, they’d be able to push the full amount of the excess to 2024.

So, basically, it’s easy to create cap space, and it always makes sense to do it. Whenever any team starts saying or leaking that it wants to take its cap medicine now, it’s fair to wonder whether the team simply doesn’t want to spend money now.

They’ll never admit that, of course. Because if teams aren’t spending as much money as they can on players, why should fans did deep for season-ticket renewals?

Remember that, folks, when you get your invoice — especially when it shows an increase over last year. If your local team isn’t doing everything it can to get the most out of the available cap dollars, why should you do everything you can to cough up hard-earned cash that isn’t being used to its fullest?