Thoughts On Cutting Keenan Allen?

[gzubeck]

Good point about the Denver game - really could have used that game better.

But yes, the Chargers do need a running back to pair with Ekeler. I get it starts with blocking but is Kelley the guy - he doesn't seem fast enough. Maybe it will be Spiller --

Spiller is beyond average and for sure the top 5 RBs in this years draft are better than him. If he looks average in the college ranks what are his chances of excelling at the NFL level? If your average you better be able to pass protect like a muther or your just a JAG.

[Lefty2SLO]

Good point about the Denver game - really could have used that game better.

But yes, the Chargers do need a running back to pair with Ekeler. I get it starts with blocking but is Kelley the guy - he doesn't seem fast enough. Maybe it will be Spiller --

In so many ways . . . .

[beachcomber]

This is the problem and the Denver game would have been a good opportunity to shed some light on it.

as for posts saying we don’t need an RB I don’t think you could watch the chargers in 2022 and come away with that conclusion. We needed a #2 to pair with Ek desperately last season and are just as desperate going into 2023.

whether it’s 1st round or not depends but TT has not shown the ability to identify and draft and RB in mid or late rounds. Other teams do but we don’t. It’s like OL. He drafted a plethora of guys in mid rounds but it wasn’t until he took Slater at 13 that he hit on one.

my suspicion has always been that John Spanos has always been loyal to the AJ crew that he cut his teeth with, and is reluctant to let them go ??

and not sure how many are left, if any, and.... that is my suspicion anyways.... ??

[Bolt4Knob]

In so many ways . . . .

Come to find out Herbert needed surgery and Slaley, Telesco and JohnBoy still played him three quarters -- you can't make this stuff up

[northerner]

Come to find out Herbert needed surgery and Slaley, Telesco and JohnBoy still played him three quarters -- you can't make this stuff up

once we knew that game did not matter, they should have made a 180 turn in the game plan. fucked up. keep the stars out, put the rookies in, etc.

[Lefty2SLO]

Come to find out Herbert needed surgery and Slaley, Telesco and JohnBoy still played him three quarters -- you can't make this stuff up

It's on Staley. No HC worth his salt is going to let management dictate playing time. He's actually lucky only MW got hurt - it could have been much worse. God I hope he's learned something from all of this.

[Maniaque 6]

once we knew that game did not matter, they should have made a 180 turn in the game plan. fucked up. keep the stars out, put the rookies in, etc.

This is the #1 reason the Chargers lost to JAX last year.

[sonorajim]

It's on Staley. No HC worth his salt is going to let management dictate playing time. He's actually lucky only MW got hurt - it could have been much worse. God I hope he's learned something from all of this.

It's on Staley.
I would have worked with our depth.but the closest I've come to being a football coach is volunteer strength coach with some high school kids.
He had his reasons but I doubt that he'd make the same choice again.
My guess: He put it to the starters and they wanted to follow their normal routines.
Players know they are going to get hurt. They just don't believe it'll be the next game, or the next.

[nomad1946]

It's on Staley.
I would have worked with our depth.but the closest I've come to being a football coach is volunteer strength coach with some high school kids.
He had his reasons but I doubt that he'd make the same choice again.
My guess: He put it to the starters and they wanted to follow their normal routines.
Players know they are going to get hurt. They just don't believe it'll be the next game, or the next.

I agree, teams have rested most of their players in the last week or so and gone on to lose their first playoff game. And sometimes they win. It is a toss up as far as I can see.
Many players have stated that maintaining their normal schedule is beneficial. Injuries happen, they are not predictable.

[Lefty2SLO]

I agree, teams have rested most of their players in the last week or so and gone on to lose their first playoff game. And sometimes they win. It is a toss up as far as I can see.
Many players have stated that maintaining their normal schedule is beneficial. Injuries happen, they are not predictable.

The players are rarely objective about stuff like this - they all want to play, and they never think they're going to get hurt. Smart coaches don't even ask, they just make the hard decisions that are in the best interest of the player and the team, even if it pisses off the player in question. Then they protect the player by saying something like 'so and so really wanted to play this week - he's a warrior, but I thought it was better that he didn't ' or something to that effect. Only weak, (or stupid) coaches allow the players to influence decisions like this.

MW - proven highly injury prone (and highly valuable)
Lindsley - absolutely key to Oline play - and fragile
Herbert - cracked ribs and bad shoulder

WTF??? These 3 guys had been playing together for almost 2 years - how much more 'continuity' could they possibly gain playing in a meaningless game 6 days prior to the most important game the team's played in years????? Any of us could make THAT risk / reward evaluation - we don't have to be NFL coaches, we just need a bit of common sense.

How stupid is it to strive mightily all year long to win your conference and be in a position to have the bye in the first week of the playoffs, but yet, in a game which should have been a bye for most of the starters, critical guys are all playing because of 'continuity'? Does that make any sense?

Nothing's guaranteed in this world, but I'd bet a LOT that if MW had played in the Jville game we win. Without him we're easy - double Allen and play the run. Easy peasy for a competent NFL DC. Hence the need for more weapons next year . . . . .

As you can tell I'm still pissed off about MW getting hurt in the Denver game. . . . . completely unnecessary, easily avoidable. and STUPID.

[nomad1946]

The players are rarely objective about stuff like this - they all want to play, and they never think they're going to get hurt. Smart coaches don't even ask, they just make the hard decisions that are in the best interest of the player and the team, even if it pisses off the player in question. Then they protect the player by saying something like 'so and so really wanted to play this week - he's a warrior, but I thought it was better that he didn't ' or something to that effect. Only weak, (or stupid) coaches allow the players to influence decisions like this.

MW - proven highly injury prone (and highly valuable)
Lindsley - absolutely key to Oline play - and fragile
Herbert - cracked ribs and bad shoulder

WTF??? These 3 guys had been playing together for almost 2 years - how much more 'continuity' could they possibly gain playing in a meaningless game 6 days prior to the most important game the team's played in years????? Any of us could make THAT risk / reward evaluation - we don't have to be NFL coaches, we just need a bit of common sense.

How stupid is it to strive mightily all year long to win your conference and be in a position to have the bye in the first week of the playoffs, but yet, in a game which should have been a bye for most of the starters, critical guys are all playing because of 'continuity'? Does that make any sense?

Nothing's guaranteed in this world, but I'd bet a LOT that if MW had played in the Jville game we win. Without him we're easy - double Allen and play the run. Easy peasy for a competent NFL DC. Hence the need for more weapons next year . . . . .

As you can tell I'm still pissed off about MW getting hurt in the Denver game. . . . . completely unnecessary, easily avoidable. and STUPID.

And if they had rested a bunch of players and they lost the next week anyway? There are no guarantees in football, you want a guarantee, buy a toaster.
As it worked out you get to say I told you so, but next time you might not.

[Lefty2SLO]

And if they had rested a bunch of players and they lost the next week anyway? There are no guarantees in football, you want a guarantee, buy a toaster.
As it worked out you get to say I told you so, but next time you might not.

You're absolutely correct that they may have lost anyway, but at least we would have had our full compliment and been able put our best foot forward. This isn't about 'I told you so', it's about expecting team leadership to make sound decisions and maximize our chances to win games.

Put it to you this way; did the eagles or chiefs schedule full contact practice games during their bye week (obviously no)? Apparently they valued health over continuity. The value of the bye is that you get to get your walking wounded healthy, which is much more valuable than 'continuity', particularly when the team you'll eventually play did NOT get the opportunity to rest their guys.

Like I said earlier - I hope team leadership is smarter next year . . . . .