Browns trade 2nd pick to Eagles

[RTPbolt]

I would think at worse would be inline with the value chart but the premium being paid will weigh in with both favoring the pick owner.

[Lightningwill_420]

I would think at worse would be inline with the value chart but the premium being paid will weigh in with both favoring the pick owner.

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[Screeme]

please explain why you think we need to totally transform our DL and using what philosophy we need to adapt to? I have been harping for YEARS Don Johnson needed to be replaced because we were not getting any development, and even some regression out of our Dlineman- even high picks like Luiget and Reyes. Now that has happened and I'm excited to see what this guy does in transforming the DL. We currently have Luiget, Mebane, Lissemore, and Carrethers, Philon, Paleipoli- all 3 young guys the team is high on but have missed time with injuries. Unless it's a can't miss edge rusher that truly fall into our laps as BPA and will get a lot of snaps on the DL- I'm not thinking DL is a bigger priority than a Blue Chip Center, probably another highly rated OL guy who can play inside or out, a S to replace Weddle and maybe even ILB before going DL.

Maybe I'm FOS though

Because I watched these same players play last season. That's why I think that.

Mebane is older, Carreathers was consistently a healthy scratch, so how high can the team be on him. Tenny Palepoi, Lissemore, will suddenly become amazing with a new coach... really?!

The only guy who is sometimes a playmaker is Liuget. You're saying you wouldn't replace Lissemore and Palepoi with Buckner/Lawson & Clark/Johnson and it's not a CLEAR upgrade. We could have a defensive line that might actually stop the run. That offensive lines actually have to deal with and can free up Ingram and Attaouchu to do their thing? Be able to get to the QB without giving him time to cook a full turkey dinner!

We'd also get a safety and center to address our next biggest needs and transform the defense into one that might actually create 4th downs for opposing defenses, instead of just slow the gradual movement down the field.

If you don't think the defensive line needs an infusion of talent.. I don't know what else to say. I feel like we've been watching different teams.

[Grinners]

Trade it.

http://www.chargers.com/video/2016/0...-interest-no-3

He mentioned several teams in top 10 spots are having conversations about trades. How many players are worth it? Wow we may have just increased our picks by a shitload..

[Grinners]

Using trade value chart
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/
#3 pick is valued at 2,200 if we sell it at 2,400 (the past 2 trades have been sold at 109% & 117%)

This would be our options

Team and picks that are close to 2,400
Cowboys 1st #4, 3rd #67 and 2017 2nd (at #48) adds 2,475
Jaguars 1st #5, 2nd # 38 and 2017 3rd #69 adds 2,465
Ravens 1st #6, 2nd #36 and 2017 3rd (#80) and 4th (#112) adds 2,400
49ers 1st #7, 2nd #37 and a 2017 2nd (at #48) adds 2,450
Browns 1st #8, 2nd #32 and 2017 2nd (#48) adds 2,410
Bucs 1st #9, 2nd #38 and 2017 2nd (#48) and 3rd (#80) adds 2,470
Giants 1st #10, 2nd #40, 3rd #71 and 2017 (#48) adds 2455
Titans 1st #15, 2nd #43, 3rd #64 and 2017 2nd (#48) and 3rd (#80) adds 2,400
Jets 1st #20, (2nd # 51, 3rd #83)* and 2017 first (#16) adds 2,415

(In bold are the once I like)
*The Jets trade would change if they add Wilkerson; It might be #20, (Wilkerson and 4th #118) or (#51 & 83), and 2017 first round)

Thanks for the Breakdown Rikardo!!!!!!!!!!!
That Jets trade scenario for 2 First Round picks interests me. At 20 we could still pick up Andrew Billings, he is suppose to be lights out DT..............

[blueman]

Because I watched these same players play last season. That's why I think that.

Mebane is older, Carreathers was consistently a healthy scratch, so how high can the team be on him. Tenny Palepoi, Lissemore, will suddenly become amazing with a new coach... really?!

The only guy who is sometimes a playmaker is Liuget. You're saying you wouldn't replace Lissemore and Palepoi with Buckner/Lawson & Clark/Johnson and it's not a CLEAR upgrade. We could have a defensive line that might actually stop the run. That offensive lines actually have to deal with and can free up Ingram and Attaouchu to do their thing? Be able to get to the QB without giving him time to cook a full turkey dinner!

We'd also get a safety and center to address our next biggest needs and transform the defense into one that might actually create 4th downs for opposing defenses, instead of just slow the gradual movement down the field.

If you don't think the defensive line needs an infusion of talent.. I don't know what else to say. I feel like we've been watching different teams.

^This. Why I'm for Bosa at 3.

[Formula 21]

Because I watched these same players play last season. That's why I think that.

Mebane is older, Carreathers was consistently a healthy scratch, so how high can the team be on him. Tenny Palepoi, Lissemore, will suddenly become amazing with a new coach... really?!

The only guy who is sometimes a playmaker is Liuget. You're saying you wouldn't replace Lissemore and Palepoi with Buckner/Lawson & Clark/Johnson and it's not a CLEAR upgrade. We could have a defensive line that might actually stop the run. That offensive lines actually have to deal with and can free up Ingram and Attaouchu to do their thing? Be able to get to the QB without giving him time to cook a full turkey dinner!

We'd also get a safety and center to address our next biggest needs and transform the defense into one that might actually create 4th downs for opposing defenses, instead of just slow the gradual movement down the field.

If you don't think the defensive line needs an infusion of talent.. I don't know what else to say. I feel like we've been watching different teams.

Maybe if Carrethers had stopped taking on blocks instead of getting out of the way he would have played more.

[SDFan]

Because I watched these same players play last season. That's why I think that.

Mebane is older, Carreathers was consistently a healthy scratch, so how high can the team be on him. Tenny Palepoi, Lissemore, will suddenly become amazing with a new coach... really?!

The only guy who is sometimes a playmaker is Liuget. You're saying you wouldn't replace Lissemore and Palepoi with Buckner/Lawson & Clark/Johnson and it's not a CLEAR upgrade. We could have a defensive line that might actually stop the run. That offensive lines actually have to deal with and can free up Ingram and Attaouchu to do their thing? Be able to get to the QB without giving him time to cook a full turkey dinner!

We'd also get a safety and center to address our next biggest needs and transform the defense into one that might actually create 4th downs for opposing defenses, instead of just slow the gradual movement down the field.

If you don't think the defensive line needs an infusion of talent.. I don't know what else to say. I feel like we've been watching different teams.

there is a convincing case to be made Don Johnson was not getting the talent he had to perform and the biggest problem has been our DLs free lancing instead of maintaining their assignments and failing to make routine plays and giving up way too many big plays because of being out of position (or taking themselves out of the play itself) so often. I think the jury is still out on our 3 younger guys and simply making wholesale player replacements using high draft picks of unproven players is no cure-all to magically fix our DL. It has to start with better coaching IMO.

[blueman]

Need better coaching, definitely. But Bosa is going to be a much better player in the pros than anybody we have on the team currently. We have a dearth of top end talent at almost every position, add one please.

[Coachmarkos]

I've been in the trade back camp, since day 1.

I hope it happens.

Unless you are completely enamored with Tunsil or Ramsey. Ramsey is supposed to be one of those "can't miss" once in a handful of years kind of guys. Last 2 safeties I can remember like that were Earl Thomas and Eric Berry. They turned out ok.

[Steve]

How many of those can't miss prospects have people missed on. A lot of people were saying that about Luke Joeckel and now he is a big part of why people think Jax could trade up for Tunsil. Just saying.

[oneinchpunch]

Just choose the best player on the board.