2023-24 Other Games and Playoffs Discussion - Super Bowl LVIII

[Topcat]

I don't know I've seen any safety in the league play better than Hamilton this year, thats no knock on DJ but Ham is having an All-Pro year. quibbles about a TE getting a handful of passes doesn't change it.

But I havent quit on DJ, that poor guy got Staley'd long and hard in 2023 - its rattled him inside out imo. He in particular got Staley'd all over the field from all angles all day every day. He went from confused to unsure to eventually dejected. He wasn't alone - all Charger defenders looked like that this year.

I look forward to seeing Derwin with a professional DC and understandable / executable system next year.

Yep...Stubborn Staley had poor Derwin popping up in more positions than one of those Whack-a-Moles at Chuck-E-Cheeses...

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[Bolt4Knob]

Yep...Stubborn Staley had poor Derwin popping up in more positions than one of those Whack-a-Moles at Chuck-E-Cheeses...

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My philosophy on James was find one position for him, have him play it, and figure out the other 10 players. And really it applies to the rest of the defense. What is that saying "do the ordinary at an extraordinary level."

Like you said, Staley had him doing so many things that it became master of none instead of master of one (skill set)

[Topcat]

Reported posts on Christmas. I almost made it through the day clean. lol the minute i take the zero policy thread off sticky you guys get after each other again.

I will restick that rule as it looks like you guys need constant reminders

Stop attacking each other personally.

Fleet, you might want to go with a PERMASTICK at the top of the list with ALL the guidelines...HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!

[Topcat]

My philosophy on James was find one position for him, have him play it, and figure out the other 10 players. And really it applies to the rest of the defense. What is that saying "do the ordinary at an extraordinary level."

Like you said, Staley had him doing so many things that it became master of none instead of master of one (skill set)

Yep...not just Staley...but his Pattern-Match Defense, a hybrid of zone and press coverage, apparently was asking too much of each D player...to have to read and react at the snap, based on the O's formation and motion, then the D tasked with changing coverage from zone to man or vice-versa, then to HOPE that the other 10 guys were able to read the same thing...that's a big ask...even though I didn't like some things about Gus Bradley's D, his scheme was simpler than Staley's, and it was also Derwin's best year with us...it's been downhill ever since...

[Bolt4Knob]

Yep...not just Staley...but his Pattern-Match Defense, a hybrid of zone and press coverage, apparently was asking too much of each D player...to have to read and react at the snap, based on the O's formation and motion, then the D tasked with changing coverage from zone to man or vice-versa, then to HOPE that the other 10 guys were able to read the same thing...that's a big ask...even though I didn't like some things about Gus Bradley's D, his scheme was simpler than Staley's, and it was also Derwin's best year with us...it's been downhill ever since...

The Jets and Pats games notwithstanding, the second half of the Chiefs game, they seemed to play very well for that half. What if he had kept it that way for the entire season. Not trying to be the smartest guy in the roomm stuff - just simple basic. As likm you said, everybody would have to be on the same page and adapt to what was happening.

[jamrock]

I was just going to say that I’m not hating on QJ, but I really do wish they had drafted Flowers.

Flowers, Addison, QJ, the one guy we and everyone else whiffed on was Nacua. He’s better than all three of those guys

[Boltgang74]

Flowers, Addison, QJ, the one guy we and everyone else whiffed on was Nacua. He’s better than all three of those guys

And they picked him it what round?Kinda a lucky guess more than anything.Well that and Solid coaching.

[Topcat]

And they picked him it what round?Kinda a lucky guess more than anything.Well that and Solid coaching.

Nacua, round 5...what a find...

[NOrvMeNow]

The Jets and Pats games notwithstanding, the second half of the Chiefs game, they seemed to play very well for that half. What if he had kept it that way for the entire season. Not trying to be the smartest guy in the roomm stuff - just simple basic. As likm you said, everybody would have to be on the same page and adapt to what was happening.

Last year, they looked better without Derwin the final portion of the season, before the Broncos game.
Because there was no Derwin to run all the exotic looks and contingencies .... they shelved a lot of that crap.

it had nothing to do with Derwin, or any perceived prima donna me first attitude.

It was Staley being Staley.

[dmac_bolt]

Last year, they looked better without Derwin the final portion of the season, before the Broncos game.
Because there was no Derwin to run all the exotic looks and contingencies .... they shelved a lot of that crap.

it had nothing to do with Derwin, or any perceived prima donna me first attitude.

It was Staley being Staley.

Thats my strong belief. I am miffed it took me so long to understand just how convoluted his designs were that they required 11 players to read and react and adjust instantly between the time a guy went in motion and the ball was snapped. Staley refused to accept this is just not possible for players to reliably execute every play and if even one player misreads it every other or every third play his defense is doomed and if two or more misread or are just late processing the designed shift and change then one or more receivers are running wide open …

WAY TOO COMPLICATED. great whiteboard nerd coach, horrible field general in real life.

Gus was too simple though, his defense required a majority of pro bowl players to work because he just basically threw every guy out there on his own to beat an offensive player. He was a genius with 6 pro bowl players in SEA, and failed everywhere else after that. there’s an intermediate sweet spot between the two idiots.

[Velo]

Last year, they looked better without Derwin the final portion of the season, before the Broncos game.
Because there was no Derwin to run all the exotic looks and contingencies .... they shelved a lot of that crap.

it had nothing to do with Derwin, or any perceived prima donna me first attitude.

It was Staley being Staley.

The level of play Derwin delivers, they could get that same level of play from a JAG and pay him a third of what Derwin earns.

[Bolt4Knob]

And they picked him it what round?Kinda a lucky guess more than anything.Well that and Solid coaching.

Good scouting
Good coaching
Good player development

Rams make it work