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[Yubaking]

Can somebody tell me what Jerry Rice's 40-yard dash time was coming out of college? I forgot. Anybody who has been out at practice and watched Keenan Allen play knows he is not "football" slow.

The best thing to come out of this otherwise mostly worthless thread is BKR's hanging of the moniker "Old Marines" on some individuals here. Still LOLing at that one! :lmao:

As I stated very clearly, sometimes players can overcome a slow 40 yard time, but usually that doesn't help a player's draft status or ability to play well in the NFL. You do get that it is better to be faster as a WR, don't you? That is an advantage.

Allen is slow. 4.71 and 4.75 is quite slow for a WR and he has looked slow in games. Slowness would be a legitimate reason why a guy wouldn't command first round value in the draft, so I think all this discussion about Allen being a first round value is nonsense. He is the slowest WR of those likely to make our team. I am not saying that he is not NFL worthy, just that he is not a first round value as some have suggested.

I think you've go the wrong 49er for the sake of comparison. Try J.J. Stokes instead of Jerry Rice.

[Yubaking]

And no your boy Von Miller is ranked highly because he's good at everything and is a complete OLB.

Advanced Stats vs Run
Year Team Pos Plays Stops Dfts Yd/Play Rank Stop Rate Rank Pct Tm
2012 DEN OLB 38 33 16 0.4 1 87% 3 87%
2011 DEN OLB 36 27 8 3.2 38 75% 11 75%

If you could identify one aspect of Miller's or Aldon Smith's game that would be what the player is known for, it wouldn't be run defense. Just admit it. They are coveted because they are premiere pass rushers.

[SFW]

As I stated very clearly, sometimes players can overcome a slow 40 yard time, but usually that doesn't help a player's draft status or ability to play well in the NFL. You do get that it is better to be faster as a WR, don't you? That is an advantage.

Allen is slow. 4.71 and 4.75 is quite slow for a WR and he has looked slow in games. Slowness would be a legitimate reason why a guy wouldn't command first round value in the draft, so I think all this discussion about Allen being a first round value is nonsense. He is the slowest WR of those likely to make our team. I am not saying that he is not NFL worthy, just that he is not a first round value as some have suggested.

I think you've go the wrong 49er for the sake of comparison. Try J.J. Stokes instead of Jerry Rice.

If we are just comparing 40 times then he DID get the right 49er. Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40 time.

[Beerman]

If you could identify one aspect of Miller's or Aldon Smith's game that would be what the player is known for, it wouldn't be run defense. Just admit it. They are coveted because they are premiere pass rushers.

No, they are noticed by the casual fan because of the sack numbers. NFL teams covet them because they are complete all around players.

[Yubaking]

Yubaking, have you ever given consideration that maybe the defensive coaches told TT they didn't want Philips back? I would hope that the GM asks opinions on players from the coaching staff. Yes, ultimately the GM has the final say but I doubt he makes decisions on players (especially Chargers players) without referring to the coaches. If it wasn't for the opinions of coaches, the Chargers would have probably never found Whittaker.

I am not saying Pagano didn't want Jammer or Phillips back (they would never say if true) but it definitely could have been part of the decision to not bring them back (especially when as you say they were better and cheaper than other players they did sign or retain). Not everything is black and white or cut and dry. Don't oversimplify the transactions that need to be made just based on stats without knowing the many things that go on behind the scenes.

Spin it any way you want. Telesco got rid of our veterans from last year and replaced them with lesser players that other teams did not want. Either Telesco is wrong or the other GMs are wrong. My belief is that the other GMs are right. It seems very obvious. Games begin soon for real and we will see.

[BoltBalls]

Games begin soon for real and we will see.

Well said!

[Yubaking]

No, they are noticed by the casual fan because of the sack numbers. NFL teams covet them because they are complete all around players.

Ridiculous. Smith was brought in in passing situations as a pass rush specialist. Miller is not known like J.J. is as an edge setting run defender. He is known as a premiere pass rusher. That's the main reason he was taken second in the draft the year he was drafted. You might be the only person alive that sees it otherwise.

[richpjr]

I love it when people try and prove a point with stats, yet in the same breath claim that those other stats that don't back up their position don't matter. Weak sauce dude. Weak sauce.

[SFW]

Spin it any way you want. Telesco got rid of our veterans from last year and replaced them with lesser players that other teams did not want. Either Telesco is wrong or the other GMs are wrong. My belief is that the other GMs are right. It seems very obvious. Games begin soon for real and we will see.

It's not spin Yubaking. All I am saying is stop being so closed minded or oversimplifying everything here. I guess I was wrong to bother with you. Carry on.

[Beerman]

Ridiculous. Smith was brought in in passing situations as a pass rush specialist. Miller is not known like J.J. is as an edge setting run defender. He is known as a premiere pass rusher. That's the main reason he was taken second in the draft the year he was drafted. You might be the only person alive that sees it otherwise.

That premier pass rusher allowed 0.4 yards per play and had a 89% stop rate.

Your lack of knowledge is astounding. Keep quoting sack numbers please.

[SFW]

Spin it any way you want. Telesco got rid of our veterans from last year and replaced them with lesser players that other teams did not want. Either Telesco is wrong or the other GMs are wrong. My belief is that the other GMs are right. It seems very obvious. Games begin soon for real and we will see.

So when we sign players from other teams they are players that other teams didn't want but when we decide we don't want players (Jammer, Phillips) and other teams sign them......they don't fall into the category of players that other teams didn't want?

[Beerman]

So when we sign players from other teams they are players that other teams didn't want but when we decide we don't want players (Jammer, Phillips) and other teams sign them......they don't fall into the category of players that other teams didn't want?

At pretty much vet min prices to boot!! They were sooooo desirable!! Every GM in the league wanted them!