Raiders @ Chargers (-4) vs Pregame Discussion (Wk 4)

[Xenos]

Which 37-year-old backup QB has lost his last 12 starts going to back to 2016? His initials are BH.

Please let him play like Nathan Peterman against us. I would like a stress free win 😥

[rensoul]

Please let him play like Nathan Peterman against us. I would like a stress free win 😥

If the Chargers blow it tomorrow against a backup Qb, gotta wonder if there will be some major changes to the coaching staff coming out of the bye.

[jamrock]

Which 37-year-old backup QB has lost his last 12 starts going to back to 2016? His initials are BH.

I think they go with the rook. He looked great in the pre season. If not I assume BH is on a short leash

[rensoul]

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/raiders-nate-hobbs-out-week-4/

The Raiders best CB, Nate Hobbs, is out for tomorrow.

[Velo]

I think they go with the rook. He looked great in the pre season. If not I assume BH is on a short leash

It might be a mystery 'til game time.

https://www.clickorlando.com/sports/2023/09/30/garoppolo-wont-play-against-chargers-leaving-raiders-starting-qb-a-mystery/

[Velo]

The line has moved to -6 Chargers from -4.5 a few hours ago.

https://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/

[dmac_bolt]

Any WR who is a year-plus project is over-drafted in the 1st round. There are too many WRs who are studs from day one.

I agree QJ has not seen targets due to having very good veteran WRs in front of him. But now he has to step up, or not. If he's not ready to do what Puka Nucua and Tank Dell have been doing, it doesn't mean he's a bust. But it does mean though that he was over-drafted.

I still say that Herbert has a trust issue with him. On that play we've all seen when Hebert makes a difficult throw to KA in the corner, QJ ran uncovered down the middle of the field to the end zone. There's no way Hebert didn't see him. It wasn't a case of QJ not being open when Herbert looked at him. He was never not open. For some reason Herbert didn't take the easy TD, he went for a more difficult throw to KA that was a good gain but it wasn't a TD. It could be that Herbert right now is over-reliant on KA. That has to change. Herbert has to start throwing to QJ when QJ is open. If QJ is plagued with drops or balls deflect off his hands for an INT, then he's not ready and maybe Fehoko steps up or Guyton returns.

You are the one who said repeatedly during TC that QJ was going to start dominating from day one, that he was quickly going become WR1 or at least WR2, that he was going to out-perform Josh Palmer. He's going to have his opportunity to prove you right.

I know you say that - I havent seen anything to support it but you can believe it. Actually I said most often during camp I expected him to come on between weeks 5 and 8 actually and be a force in the second half of the season. I can’t promise I was 100% consistent though so feel free catch a different statement. It doesn’t matter.

Now with Dub out, i expect he accelerates. I don’t agree that a first round WR taking one year to become established is a waste, it depends on the roster and situation. He wouldn’t be the first WR to emerge in his second year. They drafted him after a complete WR implosion after injuries last year and knowing they have too much $$$ of cap in 2024 tied to WRs, but they still practiced all 2023 camp for Slayer and Dub to be the top 2. but thats just my opinion vs your opinion.

MIN blitzed almost every play, Herbie was taking his first open read and throwing in 2.3 seconds. You can read what you want into that, I don’t think you’re right but neither of us know. I don’t think it’s easy to see every receiver in every corner of the field when the defense is blitzing 5 and 6 every play and you have 2 seconds to not just decide but get the ball out of your hand as you seem to think. I’ve never played NFL QB so maybe it really is easy and you’re right?

Naw - it’s fucking hard as all hell and Herbie was brilliant last game and I think you’re being critical of a pass offense that gained well over 400 yards and won.

Q deflected passes for INT? Thats weird as Herbie hasn’t thrown an INT yet. You’re making stuff up … have fun.

[dmac_bolt]

If the Chargers blow it tomorrow against a backup Qb, gotta wonder if there will be some major changes to the coaching staff coming out of the bye.

I don’t think so, but hey who knows. We’re going to win so it won’t matter.

[Velo]

I know you say that - I havent seen anything to support it but you can believe it. Actually I said most often during camp I expected him to come on between weeks 5 and 8 actually and be a force in the second half of the season. I can’t promise I was 100% consistent though so feel free catch a different statement. It doesn’t matter.

Now with Dub out, i expect he accelerates. I don’t agree that a first round WR taking one year to become established is a waste, it depends on the roster and situation. He wouldn’t be the first WR to emerge in his second year. They drafted him after a complete WR implosion after injuries last year and knowing they have too much $$$ of cap in 2024 tied to WRs, but they still practiced all 2023 camp for Slayer and Dub to be the top 2. but thats just my opinion vs your opinion.

MIN blitzed almost every play, Herbie was taking his first open read and throwing in 2.3 seconds. You can read what you want into that, I don’t think you’re right but neither of us know. I don’t think it’s easy to see every receiver in every corner of the field when the defense is blitzing 5 and 6 every play and you have 2 seconds to not just decide but get the ball out of your hand as you seem to think. I’ve never played NFL QB so maybe it really is easy and you’re right?

Naw - it’s fucking hard as all hell and Herbie was brilliant last game and I think you’re being critical of a pass offense that gained well over 400 yards and won.

Q deflected passes for INT? Thats weird as Herbie hasn’t thrown an INT yet. You’re making stuff up … have fun.

QJ had the dropsies in his first preseason game. Some of them were bad. One or two clanged off his hands. Those turn into INTs against real defenses. Let's hope he got his drops out of the way in the preseason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni69F85McJA&ab_channel=NFL

[21&500]

No excuses.
We have a major upgrade at QB, I hear it's a pretty important position in football.
I demand a win.

[SDBORN]

wow both teams seriously hobbled

Raiders going with backup QB? OK, no excuses, better get a win tomorrow

[blueman]

It feels like the enthusiasm for the Chargers has waned significantly. Secondary market tickets for the game are plentiful and cheap. I think the way they ended up winning against MN further eroded confidence in Staley and the team. I mean it’s the Raiders, afc west game, chance to go 2-2 into the bye and nobody GAF outside us die hards

Makes sense. Sad.