Allen signs extension

[Stinky Wizzleteats+]

Woot!

[Formula 21]

Good deal for the Bolts.

[Bolt-O]

Apparently he's also due his $1.656M salary this year also. He'll get $11.1+ M this year, then 4 more years after that. It's a pretty good deal for the Bolts if he plays for the next 5 yrs at the level he's capable of.

[Lightningwill_420]

We've had bad signings in the past but at some point you've got to keep your best talent if you want to get off the treadmill of mediocrity.

This is a great extension for a guy that produces and leaves it all on the field. When he's gotten injured it's been due to him going all out. Last year's injury came from making a spectacular and fearless catch.

I'll take guys like this each and every day and twice on Sunday over stiffs like Donald Butler who was perfectly healthy his final year here.

Should we have offered a contract extension to Ryan Mathews? When healthy, he was, by far, better than any other runningback we had. He worked magic with a horrible O'line his final year with us. He got hurt a lot because he tried hard.

I like the Allen signing better than the Butler signing, but the injury history is a concern. Allen played only 8 games last year. I would have waited to at least the halfway point of the upcoming season to offer an extension. I need more evidence he can stay healthy.

[Steve]

The problem with Butler wasn't the injury thing though. The problem with Butler was, even when he was at his best, was not making splash plays. He was close to being an impact player, but was always coming up short. Not finishing off RB in the backfield, missing on blitzes, dropping int..... Then he must have felt like he made it, and never played at that level again.

I get the impression that Allen feels like he can be a great player and he keeps working on getting better, even though he is pretty good. That may change, but guys who want to be great are not necessarily motivated by money.

As far as his injuries, Allen has been healthy his rookie year, missed a little bit of time at the end of the year his 2nd season, and then the fluke injury his 3rd year. You just don't hear of that many lacerated kidneys as football injuries. Besides, there have been guys who have never been hurt, then suddenly get the injury bug after then sign extgensions. And there are guys with a serious injury history who figure it out and then stay relatively healthy (Hardwick).

The reason waiting is dangerous is that if Allen is off to another dominant season like last year, and he makes up his mind that he needs to test the FA waters, then he may not accept an inseason offer, figureing that there would be more money later on as a FA.

[Lightningwill_420]

The problem with Butler wasn't the injury thing though. The problem with Butler was, even when he was at his best, was not making splash plays. He was close to being an impact player, but was always coming up short. Not finishing off RB in the backfield, missing on blitzes, dropping int..... Then he must have felt like he made it, and never played at that level again.

I get the impression that Allen feels like he can be a great player and he keeps working on getting better, even though he is pretty good. That may change, but guys who want to be great are not necessarily motivated by money.

As far as his injuries, Allen has been healthy his rookie year, missed a little bit of time at the end of the year his 2nd season, and then the fluke injury his 3rd year. You just don't hear of that many lacerated kidneys as football injuries. Besides, there have been guys who have never been hurt, then suddenly get the injury bug after then sign extgensions. And there are guys with a serious injury history who figure it out and then stay relatively healthy (Hardwick).

The reason waiting is dangerous is that if Allen is off to another dominant season like last year, and he makes up his mind that he needs to test the FA waters, then he may not accept an inseason offer, figureing that there would be more money later on as a FA.

I'd rather risk losing a great, yet injury-prone wide receiver than risk being stuck paying a guy who can't stay healthy.
That's my philosophy in a nug bag.

The problem with Butler, for me, was his stupid-ass look-at-me sack dance while the Lions were busy blowing us out in a do-or-die game. That told me all I needed to know about Butler's commitment to the team's success. I brought that up before we gave him the contract extension, and some people thought I was full of shit. I'm wrong a lot, but I've usually been right on this kind of stuff.

Allen isn't a me-first player, but he is injury prone. Wasn't he hurt when we drafted him? And, the year before last, he played in some games in which he sucked because he was playing hurt.

You're right - he may be Hardwick-like and suddently be able to play whole seasons. (Better PEDs might help.) But, if I were GM, I'd want to see more of Allen staying on the field before I'd guarantee extra money to him.

[TTK]

I'd rather risk losing a great, yet injury-prone wide receiver than risk being stuck paying a guy who can't stay healthy.
That's my philosophy in a nug bag.

The problem with Butler, for me, was his stupid-ass look-at-me sack dance while the Lions were busy blowing us out in a do-or-die game. That told me all I needed to know about Butler's commitment to the team's success. I brought that up before we gave him the contract extension, and some people thought I was full of shit. I'm wrong a lot, but I've usually been right on this kind of stuff.

Allen isn't a me-first player, but he is injury prone. Wasn't he hurt when we drafted him? And, the year before last, he played in some games in which he sucked because he was playing hurt.

You're right - he may be Hardwick-like and suddently be able to play whole seasons. (Better PEDs might help.) But, if I were GM, I'd want to see more of Allen staying on the field before I'd guarantee extra money to him.

Build through the draft and re-sign your best players. That's how you build great teams.

[Lightningwill_420]

Build through the draft and re-sign your best players. That's how you build great teams.

Well I can't dispute that we drafted Keenan Allen and that he is one of our best players. I just hope he stays healthy.

[Mister Hoarse]

The lacerated kidney doesn't make him injury prone.

[Steve]

I'd rather risk losing a great, yet injury-prone wide receiver than risk being stuck paying a guy who can't stay healthy.
That's my philosophy in a nug bag.

The problem with Butler, for me, was his stupid-ass look-at-me sack dance while the Lions were busy blowing us out in a do-or-die game. That told me all I needed to know about Butler's commitment to the team's success. I brought that up before we gave him the contract extension, and some people thought I was full of shit. I'm wrong a lot, but I've usually been right on this kind of stuff.

Allen isn't a me-first player, but he is injury prone. Wasn't he hurt when we drafted him? And, the year before last, he played in some games in which he sucked because he was playing hurt.

You're right - he may be Hardwick-like and suddenly be able to play whole seasons. (Better PEDs might help.) But, if I were GM, I'd want to see more of Allen staying on the field before I'd guarantee extra money to him.

So who should we have gone after instead? It is usually cheaper to go after players sooner and ends up with less butt hurt (see Weddle) by the players, especially a guy like Allen who has outperformed his contract since his rookie year. I would rather keep the great player, because he is a great player. We can always dump him if he is not on the field enough. But you can't pull great WR out of thin air (or any other position except manybe running back).

Also, maybe you should explain what you mean by injury prone, because, in my football days, everyone was always hurt to some degree by the end of camp. Not everyone missed time, but the more a finger gets broken or a knee keeps getting twisted, eventually it becomes a long term issue.

As far as Butler sack thing against the Lions, that is cosmetic. Sure, he was a dumb ass, but I cna live with it for an every down LB who makes plays. THe issue with Butler was he started off as a guy who was in position to make plays and didn't finish. Then he got the new deal and packed it in. He was healthy the last 2 years and played a lot before getting benched last year. His health was not the issue, but his inablity to play at a high level was what was wrong with him.

[Boltster]

Completely agree with all of this. Butler seemed disinterested. When he pulled up instead of plugging the hole at the goal line against Chicago, they have cut him that night. And I thought the extension of him was good for us.

[Lightningwill_420]

So who should we have gone after instead? It is usually cheaper to go after players sooner and ends up with less butt hurt (see Weddle) by the players, especially a guy like Allen who has outperformed his contract since his rookie year. I would rather keep the great player, because he is a great player. We can always dump him if he is not on the field enough. But you can't pull great WR out of thin air (or any other position except manybe running back).

Also, maybe you should explain what you mean by injury prone, because, in my football days, everyone was always hurt to some degree by the end of camp. Not everyone missed time, but the more a finger gets broken or a knee keeps getting twisted, eventually it becomes a long term issue.

As far as Butler sack thing against the Lions, that is cosmetic. Sure, he was a dumb ass, but I cna live with it for an every down LB who makes plays. THe issue with Butler was he started off as a guy who was in position to make plays and didn't finish. Then he got the new deal and packed it in. He was healthy the last 2 years and played a lot before getting benched last year. His health was not the issue, but his inablity to play at a high level was what was wrong with him.

Who should we have gone after instead? Nobody.

Injury prone means apt to be less effective or miss games due to injury. See season 2 and 3 for Allen.

Butler didn't care that the team was losing a game it needed. Why did we think he'd work hard for a team that has already given him a contract extension? His dance already showed us how much he cared about the team's success.