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[vinabolt]

If you compare the fans and media reaction of the severe penalties that the NFL handed down on DEN, NE, NO. You'll see that people, mostly fans outside of NE, are hating and piling on them and singled them out is mostly because of their greatness, is because of the painful that they endure every year getting blow out by NE, or getting eliminate by them in the playoff. They hate them with all their heart.

DEN haven't done much since the Shannahan era. Their period of domination last couple of years. NO was a one year wonder. And how many years NE was dominate now? 16 years? Heck, if I wasn't follow Belichick since his NYG and CLE years, I probably hating on NE, too, lol.

I understand NE fans frustration, too. Reading NE fans and NE haters going at it on every freaking articles is funny as hell. But if Goodell penalize our team and take away our 1st round picks because of the "more probable than not......" things, I would go to his house and protest, lol. So, I understand their frustration.

[Mister Hoarse]

If your point is that you are in the minority that thinks the Bellicheck isn't a good coach, than yes - I do agree.

Bellichick is the best football coach I have seen in my lifetime.
He also cheats.
That is a fact.

Btw, the RF shenanigans mentioned above were used against us in 2006 and were far worse than the known offenses.

There is a book currently in the works that has enough documentation to keep Brady and his HC out of the HOF.
Unfortunately, the author has been blocked from publication so far by monied interests with ties to the NFL. Go figure.

[Lightningwill_420]

Bellichick is the best football coach I have seen in my lifetime.
He also cheats.
That is a fact.

Btw, the RF shenanigans mentioned above were used against us in 2006 and were far worse than the known offenses.

There is a book currently in the works that has enough documentation to keep Brady and his HC out of the HOF.
Unfortunately, the author has been blocked from publication so far by monied interests with ties to the NFL. Go figure.

Oxymoron?
If one is unable to demonstrate he can even follow the rules of football, he can't be the greatest coach of all time. When Belichick learns to follow the rules, that would be step 1. Next, he would have to demonstrate he can win while following the rules, which, apparently, he tried and failed at in the Cleveland.
But, who knows if Belichick even followed the rules when he was losing with the Browns? Maybe he is the recent-version of the 49ers of the football equivalent of the Padres, who cheat and still lose.

[Lightningwill_420]

If you compare the fans and media reaction of the severe penalties that the NFL handed down on DEN, NE, NO. You'll see that people, mostly fans outside of NE, are hating and piling on them and singled them out is mostly because of their greatness, is because of the painful that they endure every year getting blow out by NE, or getting eliminate by them in the playoff. They hate them with all their heart.

DEN haven't done much since the Shannahan era. Their period of domination last couple of years. NO was a one year wonder. And how many years NE was dominate now? 16 years? Heck, if I wasn't follow Belichick since his NYG and CLE years, I probably hating on NE, too, lol.

I understand NE fans frustration, too. Reading NE fans and NE haters going at it on every freaking articles is funny as hell. But if Goodell penalize our team and take away our 1st round picks because of the "more probable than not......" things, I would go to his house and protest, lol. So, I understand their frustration.

I don't understand your argument so I'll stop trying to react to it.

Let's see how long I can stick to that pledge. The over/under is 2 hours.

[Lightningwill_420]

This is a good argument. But if it's true, then I think NO (bride the players to get them to take out opposing players) and DEN (cheat the salary cap) would deserve much more hate than this. It's like nobody care. Media, fans. How long did those news last? Those cases are much more extreme and deserve much more hate than NE (videotaping signals, messing with ball weight), and the NFL still have not proved that NE indeed messing with the ball weight ("there are more probable than not".... lol), while the DEN and NO incidents are much more extreme case ethically and was proven.

You can't tell me that people don't hate them and piling on them like NE was because they had 1 less case.

I don't know about everybody else, but I hate the Donkeys a lot more than I hate the Patsies. I've been saying for years that the Donkeys cheat. They, like the 49ers, have been caught cheating the salary cap multiple times. Maybe you can find some of my arguments.

Just like this one, I was in the minority in the Donkey debate. However, being right or wrong isn't a matter of winning a popularity contest. I'm more interested in understanding the argument of the other side. In most arguments, I get the basis for the other side's argument. Like, whether you are voting for Trump, Hillary, a third-party candidate, your mom, or nobody - I get it. There are arguments to be made for any of those options. I may disagree with whatever your choice is, but, looking at the facts, I understand why you might think I'm wrong. In the argument over whether McCoy should be fired, I get both sides. But, as to whether the Patriots win because they have a godlike-coach or whether they cheat - I don't get the other side's argument. They cheat. It's documented. It's a fact. Nobody declares that Rosie Ruiz was a Boston Marathon champion because she was smarter or better coached than everybody else. Sure - starting the race near the finish line was, I guess, smart because it helped her cross the finish-line sooner, but she's a cheater. A cheater is a cheater. A cheater is never the greatest. It's oxymoronic to think a cheater is the greatest. It's like saying the best husband of all time, by a long shot, is Bill Clinton. Sure - he helped his wife get close to the presidency and got her a decent daughter. But he cheats, therefor he sucks (or is getting sucked). He is certainly not the greatest.

And, yes, as I've stated multiple times, the Cheatriots aren't the only cheaters. The Squawks cheat. Look at the evidence. The Donkeys cheat. Look at the evidence. The 49ers cheat. Look at the evidence. ... My argument against the Saints is a little weaker because, unlike the others, they have only been busted once, not twice, and, as far as I know, don't have multiple rumors from seemingly qualified sources alleging further cheating. But they did cheat, and the NFL thought it was a very big deal so I count them in my list of cheaters.)

However, this isn't an argument as to which team is the cheatiest. This debate is about the Patriots and whether they win because they have, by far, the greatest coach in team sports in the history of Earth or whether they cheat. The first argument cannot be proven. The latter, that the Patriots cheat, is well documented and undeniable.

So, if you chose "under" as to when I'd renege on my pledge, you won in a blowout.

[Mister Hoarse]

I don't know about everybody else, but I hate the Donkeys a lot more than I hate the Patsies. I've been saying for years that the Donkeys cheat. They, like the 49ers, have been caught cheating the salary cap multiple times. Maybe you can find some of my arguments.

Just like this one, I was in the minority in the Donkey debate. However, being right or wrong isn't a matter of winning a popularity contest. I'm more interested in understanding the argument of the other side. In most arguments, I get the basis for the other side's argument. Like, whether you are voting for Trump, Hillary, a third-party candidate, your mom, or nobody - I get it. There are arguments to be made for any of those options. I may disagree with whatever your choice is, but, looking at the facts, I understand why you might think I'm wrong. In the argument over whether McCoy should be fired, I get both sides. But, as to whether the Patriots win because they have a godlike-coach or whether they cheat - I don't get the other side's argument. They cheat. It's documented. It's a fact. Nobody declares that Rosie Ruiz was a Boston Marathon champion because she was smarter or better coached than everybody else. Sure - starting the race near the finish line was, I guess, smart because it helped her cross the finish-line sooner, but she's a cheater. A cheater is a cheater. A cheater is never the greatest. It's oxymoronic to think a cheater is the greatest. It's like saying the best husband of all time, by a long shot, is Bill Clinton. Sure - he helped his wife get close to the presidency and got her a decent daughter. But he cheats, therefor he sucks (or is getting sucked). He is certainly not the greatest.

And, yes, as I've stated multiple times, the Cheatriots aren't the only cheaters. The Squawks cheat. Look at the evidence. The Donkeys cheat. Look at the evidence. The 49ers cheat. Look at the evidence. ... My argument against the Saints is a little weaker because, unlike the others, they have only been busted once, not twice, and, as far as I know, don't have multiple rumors from seemingly qualified sources alleging further cheating. But they did cheat, and the NFL thought it was a very big deal so I count them in my list of cheaters.)

However, this isn't an argument as to which team is the cheatiest. This debate is about the Patriots and whether they win because they have, by far, the greatest coach in team sports in the history of Earth or whether they cheat. The first argument cannot be proven. The latter, that the Patriots cheat, is well documented and undeniable.

So, if you chose "under" as to when I'd renege on my pledge, you won in a blowout.

You cheated and came back sooner.

[Lightningwill_420]

You cheated and came back sooner.

I'm the dumbest fan here. I haven't made a claim for greatest Internet-user of all time.

[Bolt-O]

The entitled Domers lost to another set of entitled three TD underdog Dukies, at home. Kizer was supposed to be the top QB for the next draft... maybe not so much hype now.

[Faded blues]

I'll gladly be that butt-hurt if my team gets the same amount of trophies. I don't see it as butt-hurtness though, rather as a false equivalency. But I do agree with them that the Donks are the biggest cheats. After all, they did beat the Pasties last year with an old wad of chewing gum assembled to look like P.Manning at QB, and what kind of pact with the devil and black mail photos of the refs in compromising positions with farm animals did that take? But yes, the scoring on that site was clearly arbitrary. It's more like a "your team was caught cheating" website, instead of a "your team isn't as Krafty as ours is at cheating" site.

Rep post.

When two individuals have sold their soul and they are playing against each other, how does devil chose the winner?

[Lightningwill_420]

I'll gladly be that butt-hurt if my team gets the same amount of trophies. I don't see it as butt-hurtness though, rather as a false equivalency. But I do agree with them that the Donks are the biggest cheats. After all, they did beat the Pasties last year with an old wad of chewing gum assembled to look like P.Manning at QB, and what kind of pact with the devil and black mail photos of the refs in compromising positions with farm animals did that take? But yes, the scoring on that site was clearly arbitrary. It's more like a "your team was caught cheating" website, instead of a "your team isn't as Krafty as ours is at cheating" site.

If the Chargers ever get caught doing what the Pats do, I won't be a fan anymore. I don't root for cheaters. The Patriots' and Donkeys' trophies, in my eyes, are less than worthless - they are cum stains on the mouths of the owners, the organizations, anybody who continues to be a fan of those teams, and the NFL. Every time I see Robert Kraft now, all I think of is, "Cheater cum stain". I used to think - hey, that dude helped organize the AFL. Now, fuck that. He's just a cheater cum stain. I mean, I won't go as far as saying Donkeys fans and Cheatriots fans support a lowlier cause than Raiders fans do, but, in all fairness, I probably should (no I shouldn't).

[Bolt-O]

Kraft bought the P*ts in 1994, so he had nothing to do with the AFL, other than being a fan from back then. "Cool story from Wikipedia"... he basically forced the sale to himself because he bought the rights to the land surrounding the old stadium, then ultimately bought the old stadium because one of the owners (Sullivan) went BK, which included the lease for the team. Ultimately the last owner before Kraft, who wanted to move the team (to Jacksonville!), couldn't make it happen because of the lease, and Kraft gave him a huge offer. Any other possible owner of the team would have had to deal with Kraft on the stadium. Crafty stuff...pun intended.

Rich people problems.

[Lightningwill_420]

Kraft bought the P*ts in 1994, so he had nothing to do with the AFL, other than being a fan from back then. "Cool story from Wikipedia"... he basically forced the sale to himself because he bought the rights to the land surrounding the old stadium, then ultimately bought the old stadium because one of the owners (Sullivan) went BK, which included the lease for the team. Ultimately the last owner before Kraft, who wanted to move the team (to Jacksonville!), couldn't make it happen because of the lease, and Kraft gave him a huge offer. Any other possible owner of the team would have had to deal with Kraft on the stadium. Crafty stuff...pun intended.

Rich people problems.

I did not know that. I was wrong. Good find.